Wine access

TheResistance · 2022-06-13 01:47:19

https://imgur.com/7IXTeV1.png
I'm getting really low performance in games. Maybe this error is what causing it? Can anyone help?
the error is "wine access denied for device... etc.." it gave 3 of the same error

Last edited by TheResistance (2022-06-13 01:49:46)

jonno2002 · 2022-06-13 05:27:03

please dont post pictures of text, insert it here in code tags

it says that you dont have vulkan installed/working you might want to start there

seth · 2022-06-13 06:31:23

I'd rather worry about the missung vulkan, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Vulkan
Also this seems to he a hybrid GPU system? "lspci"?
Gnome? Wayland or X11?

Edit: shit.

Last edited by seth (2022-06-13 06:31:57)

TheResistance · 2022-06-14 06:06:15

jonno2002 wrote:

please dont post pictures of text, insert it here in code tags
it says that you dont have vulkan installed/working you might want to start there

My gpu is xfx double d hd 6850, old af and it does not have vulkan support.

TheResistance · 2022-06-14 06:07:40

seth wrote:

I'd rather worry about the missung vulkan, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Vulkan
Also this seems to he a hybrid GPU system? "lspci"?
Gnome? Wayland or X11?
Edit: shit.

These things you said were desktop enviroments?
Also the lspci screenshot you asked for: https://imgur.com/ZJ0TTZl.png

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seth · 2022-06-14 06:24:46

jonno2002 wrote:

please dont post pictures of text, insert it here in code tags

The general environment (and display server) will be relevant, in case it's X11, please also post your xorg log, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#General (NOT! a screenshot of it)
Also specify "really low performance" and "games" - it's a 10 year old system and will not run the newest superturboturkeypuncher in ultrabloodviolence mode because of the exceeding HW demands.

jonno2002 · 2022-06-14 06:39:25

minimum specs for the game from EA website:

Minimum
OS: Windows 10, 64 Bit
Processor (AMD): Phenom II X4 965
Processor (Intel): Core i3-2120
Memory: 8 GB
Graphics Card (AMD): Radeon HD 5870
Graphics Card (Nvidia): GeForce GTS 640
DirectX: Dx. 11 compatible video card or equivalent
Online Connection Requirements: 512 KBPS or faster Internet connection
Hard Drive Space: 45 GB

compare your card to minimum card: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/A … 743vsm7681

looks like you dont even meet the MINIMUM specs to play the game so theres your answer

TheResistance · 2022-06-14 08:49:29

jonno2002 wrote:

minimum specs for the game from EA website:
Minimum
OS: Windows 10, 64 Bit
Processor (AMD): Phenom II X4 965
Processor (Intel): Core i3-2120
Memory: 8 GB
Graphics Card (AMD): Radeon HD 5870
Graphics Card (Nvidia): GeForce GTS 640
DirectX: Dx. 11 compatible video card or equivalent
Online Connection Requirements: 512 KBPS or faster Internet connection
Hard Drive Space: 45 GB
compare your card to minimum card: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/A … 743vsm7681
looks like you dont even meet the MINIMUM specs to play the game so theres your answer

My pc can run it. I used to get 60fps on windows 10 with almost no input delay before switching to linux, so therefore your argument here is invalid.

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TheResistance · 2022-06-14 08:56:05

seth wrote:

jonno2002 wrote:
please dont post pictures of text, insert it here in code tags
The general environment (and display server) will be relevant, in case it's X11, please also post your xorg log, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#General (NOT! a screenshot of it)
Also specify "really low performance" and "games" - it's a 10 year old system and will not run the newest superturboturkeypuncher in ultrabloodviolence mode because of the exceeding HW demands.

My sistem is vanilla arch with xfce4. Also im not trying to run "superturboturkeypuncher" games in "ultrabloodviolence mode". I asked a question and expected some answers or interests. Not sarcastic quotes.

V1del · 2022-06-14 08:56:17

You generally need slightly higher specs for wine and proper and high performing dx11 translation absolutely requires vulkan. DX11 to OGL as present in vanilla wine has always been very slow, you absolutely need Vulkan support for fast DX11 translation, so it can very well be that this is the best you'll get.

TheResistance · 2022-06-14 08:59:22

V1del wrote:

You generally need slightly higher specs for wine and proper and high performing dx11 translation absolutely requires vulkan. DX11 to OGL as present in vanilla wine has always been very slow, you absolutely need Vulkan support for fast DX11 translation, so it can very well be that this is the best you'll get.

my gpu does not have vulkan support as i previously said. if windows 10 gives good performance, so can linux. But it seems like the progress to compatibility of linux gaming is slow.

jonno2002 · 2022-06-14 09:15:41

its got nothing to do with linux, the game was designed for windows, the fact that it runs on linux at all is thanks to some clever people

V1del · 2022-06-14 09:32:06

As mentioned all of the cool/fast "basically same as Windows performance" improvements that linux/wine/proton has made in the last few years pretty much stand and fall with Vulkan. If you do not have Vulkan at all you won't get full speed in a DX11 game with the current developments and this is very unlikely to change.

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XeroDotCom · 2022-06-14 09:35:19

Unless you're on really low end hardware that sounds like either you have a conflict among packages or you are missing packages for your specific processor & graphics card. Outside of that I would just say try Zram & Linux Zen. Blower some links tavarious hardware-related packages so you can see if you're missing any or not, just don't combine Intel and AMD, one or the other.

Amd

https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Amd

Intel

https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Intel

Various packages that may help

https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Nvidia
https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Python
https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Vulkan
https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q … =&flagged=

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TheResistance · 2022-06-14 10:11:47

jonno2002 wrote:

its got nothing to do with linux, the game was designed for windows, the fact that it runs on linux at all is thanks to some clever people

I meant to say it's not my system's problem, to answer the dude blaming my system.

TheResistance · 2022-06-14 10:12:43

V1del wrote:

As mentioned all of the cool/fast "basically same as Windows performance" improvements that linux/wine/proton has made in the last few years pretty much stand and fall with Vulkan. If you do not have Vulkan at all you won't get full speed in a DX11 game with the current developments and this is very unlikely to change.

I just hope they bring compatibility to legacy systems.

TheResistance · 2022-06-14 10:18:48

XeroDotCom wrote:

Unless you're on really low end hardware that sounds like either you have a conflict among packages or you are missing packages for your specific processor & graphics card. Outside of that I would just say try Zram & Linux Zen. Blower some links tavarious hardware-related packages so you can see if you're missing any or not, just don't combine Intel and AMD, one or the other.
Amd
https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Amd
Intel
https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Intel

Various packages that may help

https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Nvidia
https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Python
https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=Vulkan
https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q … =&flagged=

I think i already have my gpu driver installed, even though on amd's website, latest driver i could find was these, for outdated operating systems https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics … on-hd-6850
I don't really know about cpu drivers, couldnt find anything for them.

seth · 2022-06-14 11:27:10

TheResistance wrote:

Also im not trying to run "superturboturkeypuncher" games in "ultrabloodviolence mode". I asked a question and expected some answers or interests. Not sarcastic quotes.

That wasn't a sarcastic quote, I wanted to know what game you wanted to play and pointed out that the system might be insufficient for some high end games or in their maximum configuration.
What brings us full circle, because the first screenshot you posted actually reveals that it's some NFS HP and I *guess* it's the 2010 iteration rather than the 1998 game…

Now please post your Xorg log, the output of "glxinfo" and elaborate on the performance of the game (1 fps or 10 or 30 or 59) and whether dialing down it's FX settings has any impact on that.

TheResistance · 2022-06-14 18:35:22

Now please post your Xorg log, the output of "glxinfo" and elaborate on the performance of the game (1 fps or 10 or 30 or 59) and whether dialing down it's FX settings has any impact on that.

Can you please tell me more what you want and mean? When i do "glxinfo" on terminal, it gives me a really long input. Exactly which part you need?

V1del · 2022-06-14 18:39:03

Usually "the entire thing" (see this link for how to use code tags to post long outputs) but for glxinfo normally what you get from glxinfo -B is a sufficient enough summary of the capabilities. FWIW if the game is 32bit then glxinfo32 would be interesting as well, make sure lib32-mesa-utils is installed for that

Is this the 2010 iteration or the 2020 remake of the game? Maybe more generally check whether there's an option to select e.g. the DX9 as a backend, and if you can something that might help perf is if you can enable gallium-nine which afaik should be an option in lutris.

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TheResistance · 2022-06-16 07:48:02

V1del wrote:

Usually "the entire thing" (see this link for how to use code tags to post long outputs) but for glxinfo normally what you get from glxinfo -B is a sufficient enough summary of the capabilities. FWIW if the game is 32bit then glxinfo32 would be interesting as well, make sure lib32-mesa-utils is installed for that
Is this the 2010 iteration or the 2020 remake of the game? Maybe more generally check whether there's an option to select e.g. the DX9 as a backend, and if you can something that might help perf is if you can enable gallium-nine which afaik should be an option in lutris.

It is the 2010 version of it.
I couldn't copy input on terminal, so i got a screenshot of it.

GPU Brand: XFX Double D HD 6850
Processor: AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series - AMD Radeon HD 6850
Screenshot Link: https://imgur.com/O43ljnp.png

Hope it helps, thank you and good luck.

loqs · 2022-06-16 08:13:05

TheResistance wrote:

I couldn't copy input on terminal, so i got a screenshot of it.

You do not need to copy the input. You can use pipe as in the examples from List_of_applications#Pastebin_services

Last edited by loqs (2022-06-16 08:14:39)

V1del · 2022-06-17 11:31:32

That looks okay but this really is just a low end card by any standards. Check lutris whether you can enable gallium-nine for it (... maybe needs a specific wine build, not sure) which will likely be your best bet if it works, but you really shouldn't expect much here. Windows probably barely maintained fullspeed here and you generally need better specs than Windows to offset the translation overheads.

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seth · 2022-06-17 13:13:41

seth wrote:

jonno2002 wrote:
please dont post pictures of text, insert it here in code tags

seth also wrote:

elaborate on the performance of the game (1 fps or 10 or 30 or 59) and whether dialing down its FX settings has any impact on that

seth previously wrote:

Gnome? Wayland or X11?

you then wrote:

These things you said were desktop enviroments?

seth in reply wrote:

The general environment (and display server) will be relevant

loginctl session-status | curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st

TheResistance · 2022-06-18 06:03:51

loginctl session-status | curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st

https://0x0.st/ouWg.txt

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