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#1 2006-11-12 16:05:47

Shagbag
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pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

I'm installing beryl-svn.  From what little linux I know, I understand 'svn' stands for subversion and is the place where the 'bleeding edge' software is kept.  Am I right?  If so, is there a stable version of beryl I should install instead?

I am hoping to run AIGLX on my nVidia card.  I installed the nVidia driver (pacman -Sy nvidia) but the wiki says use the nvidia-beta driver.  Which one should I use?

PS. Arch rocks!  45s boot time to KDE login screen wink

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#2 2006-11-12 17:03:24

dongiovanni
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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

You should use the nvidia driver from "testing". Nvidia released the "stable" driver some days ago.
Beryl is still unter hard developement and has still some bugs, but at my pc it works fine.
You can use this version, because it is as stable as the other versions in my opinion.

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#3 2006-11-12 17:04:20

Jesper
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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

Yep, you are correct about SVN, afaik, it is where all changes to the source code are recorded. The SVN checkout of Beryl will therefore not necessarily be stable as one "bad" patch that are allowed in the SVN at the time of the checkout might cause some troubles. However, the TU who is controlling and updating Beryl, Brain0 is really competent, and so far I've never had a problem with beryl-svn, but your mileage may vary, depending on your hardware etc.

I used the nvidia-beta driver for my install of beryl and I've never experienced any problems with that choice. AFAIK i don't think it matters, although I felt it was easier just installing the nvidia-drivers. However, my knowledge of linux and XGL/AIGLX etc. is limited so take my advices lightly and/or wait for a more experienced linux user to reply.

For choosing a more stable "beryl", there is compiz, the original version. Beryl is a fork of Compiz, where patches and hacks are allowed into the software quicker, and also more eye candy patches that do not add significantly to the usability such as the window burning up when closed etc. Compiz is probably more stable, and if that is a requirement, I would use that instead. If you want compiz, you might check AUR for both the core, window decorators and themes.

One thing to add is that from my experience, as more people use beryl, it is more well documented, and more people might have experienced any similar problems etc.

Good luck  8)

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#4 2006-11-12 17:36:33

Dheart
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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

First: Download  this
These are the stable nvidia drivers with aiglx support in them.
Second: Make sure you have kernle-headers and gcc.
Third: ctrl+alt+f1 to bring up the console. Log on as root and type:
(replace gdm with your login manager (xdm;kdm))

/etc/rc.d/gdm stop
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9629-pkg1.run

Follow the steps, and use automatic xorg.conf edit and than start gdm:

/etc/rc.d/gdm start

Forth: Manually edit you xorg.conf by adding:

Section "Screen"
  [...]
  Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals"
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
  Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection

Fifth: Enable unstable repository in /etc/packman.conf than as root:

pacman -Sy beryl-svn

After the install disable the unstable repository if you like. Logout and press ctrl + alt + backspace to restart xserver.
Sixth: Open Terminal and type beryl-manager to start the manager. If you like it add beryl-manager in System-preferences-Session for auto-start with your login.
Seventh: Enjoy![/code]


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#5 2006-11-12 19:18:18

Shagbag
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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

Thanks everyone.
I managed to install both nvidia-beta and beryl-svn.  Awesome.  Kicks ass!

dongiovanni wrote:

You should use the nvidia driver from "testing". Nvidia released the "styable" driver some days ago.

I read about that.  I'm still using the beta driver.  How do I get the latest, ie. 'stable' nvidia driver (I'm a noob still)?  Do I need to edit my /etc/pacman.conf file?

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#6 2006-11-12 19:33:56

brain0
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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

Dheart wrote:

First: Download  this
These are the stable nvidia drivers with aiglx support in them.
Second: Make sure you have kernle-headers and gcc.
Third: ctrl+alt+f1 to bring up the console. Log on as root and type:
(replace gdm with your login manager (xdm;kdm))

/etc/rc.d/gdm stop
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9629-pkg1.run

Follow the steps, and use automatic xorg.conf edit and than start gdm:

Please keep these comments out of the forums. Using the nvidia installer in combination with a package manager poisons people's systems and leads to breakage in the future. There are official packages for the new nvidia drivers in testing, you should use those.

If you use the unclean method, fine, but keep it out of the Arch forums.

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#7 2006-11-12 19:39:31

Dheart
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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

brain0 wrote:
Dheart wrote:

First: Download  this
These are the stable nvidia drivers with aiglx support in them.
Second: Make sure you have kernle-headers and gcc.
Third: ctrl+alt+f1 to bring up the console. Log on as root and type:
(replace gdm with your login manager (xdm;kdm))

/etc/rc.d/gdm stop
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9629-pkg1.run

Follow the steps, and use automatic xorg.conf edit and than start gdm:

Please keep these comments out of the forums. Using the nvidia installer in combination with a package manager poisons people's systems and leads to breakage in the future. There are official packages for the new nvidia drivers in testing, you should use those.

If you use the unclean method, fine, but keep it out of the Arch forums.

Point taken! This works for me fine anyway...


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#8 2006-11-12 19:46:02

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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

@Dheart, i think u miss-understood brain0's post, the first time.. (before the last edit u did) ... what u did wasn't wrong per say, it's just that installing it with pacman wherever possible is much safer..

regarding ur first reply (before the edit lol)
[root@athlin ~]# p -Q nvidia-ck
nvidia-ck 1.0.9629-1
as u can see, the new drivers are already in the repos ...

btw, i'm not psychic, or anything..  the only reason y i knew what u posted bfore was that i read it, went to make a reply.. and realized that ur comment had changed tongue lol


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#9 2006-11-13 09:06:31

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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

noriko wrote:

[root@athlin ~]# p -Q nvidia-ck
nvidia-ck 1.0.9629-1
as u can see, the new drivers are already in the repos ... l

So I can pacman -Sy nvidia and get the latest - ie. post-beta - nVidia driver?  If so, which repository is it in: current, extra, other?  Cheers.

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#10 2006-11-13 09:16:29

brain0
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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

It is in testing. However, we cannot move it to extra right now, as it has bugs which will break many of our users' systems. It is much less stable than the latest beta sad

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#11 2006-11-13 13:23:13

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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

It is in testing. However, we cannot move it to extra right now, as it has bugs which will break many of our users' systems. It is much less stable than the latest beta sad

i just checked the latest beta (from belnet[mirror]) .. and it's

[root@athlin ~]# p -Ss nvidia-beta
unstable/nvidia-beta 1.0.9626-1

which shows it's possibly older than the current stable(1.0.9629) ..
i just foudn it strange, and it may also answer the question as to why the (so-called) stable release might be less stable than the beta ... just a though x)


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#12 2006-11-13 13:47:23

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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

nonono, 1.0.9629 isn't beta and it's in testing. belnet mirror is up-to-date !


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#13 2006-11-13 13:54:17

noriko
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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

no lol ... *26 is the version number on the beta-pkg,  *29 is the vn on the (stable?) release ...
the reason y i posted that was cos brain0 said,

It is much less stable than the latest beta...

and as u'd expect the higher version number would be newer... if u get what i meant now tongue


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#14 2006-11-13 16:08:50

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Re: pacman -Sy beryl-svn - is it stable?

ah ok then, i didn't understand it this way wink

to me *26 and *29 don't behave any differently. but surely your mileage may vary.

slightly out of topic but di you guys know about a way to get kde's kicker pager (kpager) properly work with beryl ? my 5 virtual desktop become one and this is very annoying. there a patched kpager (kpager-compiz) in AUR, but it doesn't do any better...


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