{SOLVED } X packages installtion

saleem · 2023-07-15 11:07:17

Hello,
I have a very basic level question but it leaves me confused so I thought I will clarify it here

Below is the graphic card details of my laptop

$ lspci -v | grep -A1 -e VGA -e 3D
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
DeviceName: 32

Now my question is do I need to install all these packages as below ?

# pacman -S xorg xorg-server xorg-xinit xorg-apps xterm xf86-video-intel mesa mesa-libgl libva-intel-driver libva

or can I make it trimmed as below

# pacman -S xorg xorg-xinit xorg-apps xterm xf86-video-intel mesa

My question is do I need xorg and xorg-server both or just xorg is enough ? and do I really need to have multilib packages or can I ignore installing them?

Would appreciate if this confusion is made clear for me.

Thanks ,

Last edited by saleem (2023-07-18 10:00:14)

Mr.Elendig · 2023-07-15 11:44:57

what are you actually trying to do?

saleem · 2023-07-15 11:52:55

Did fresh install, and I'm installing bare minimal packages not to bloat system with packages which might not be needed . e.g as I asked do I need to have installed xorg and xorg-server or just one of them would run X without any issues ?

Last edited by saleem (2023-07-15 11:55:01)

Lone_Wolf · 2023-07-15 13:34:44

xorg is a (rather large) package group use pacman -Sg xorg to see everything that is in it. On a minimal install you don't want that group installed.

$ pactree --reverse --sync --depth=1 xorg-server
xorg-server
├─cl-clx
├─gdm
├─glava
├─lightdm
├─lightdm-slick-greeter
├─lxdm
├─lxdm-gtk3
├─nvidia-utils
├─plan9port
├─sddm
└─sx
$

Do you intend to use any of the packages listed ? If not, you don't need xorg-server.

xorg-apps is another group of which you may need some members, but not all.

seth · 2023-07-15 13:44:52

Do you intend to use any of the packages listed ? If not, you don't need xorg-server.

Except, you know, if you want to run an X11 server to use any X11 client on that system
(X11 programs don't depend on xorg-server because you could run them on a remote server, but usually, if you install X11 programs you want to install the xorg-server to use them locally)

Trilby · 2023-07-15 16:00:21

saleem wrote:

I'm installing bare minimal packages not to bloat system with packages which might not be needed

Needed by what or whom? I don't have any of those packages / groups installed as I don't need any of them. In fact I had very few of those installed even when I ran an Xorg session!

saleem wrote:

run X without any issues ?

All you really need to run X is xorg-server. That's it. You'll likely want more than that, but we can't really know what you want. Do you want a display manager, or do you want to use startx or xinit or your own x initialization script / program? Do you want a window manager or a DE or to run a bare server with no WM? Do you want a web browser, or a graphical text editor, or a pony?

Realistically, assuming you are aiming for "minimal" yet sufficient for the type of user who would ask such a question, you will want xorg-server, xorg-xinit, a window manager, and some client programs (terminal, web browser, perhaps a file manager if that's your taste). On some hardware you'd also need a xorg video driver, but for your intel system that's generally not a good idea anymore (the modesetting driver provided by the kernel tends to be better).

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saleem · 2023-07-18 09:59:31

Trilby wrote:

saleem wrote:
I'm installing bare minimal packages not to bloat system with packages which might not be needed
Needed by what or whom? I don't have any of those packages / groups installed as I don't need any of them. In fact I had very few of those installed even when I ran an Xorg session!
saleem wrote:
run X without any issues ?
All you really need to run X is xorg-server. That's it. You'll likely want more than that, but we can't really know what you want. Do you want a display manager, or do you want to use startx or xinit or your own x initialization script / program? Do you want a window manager or a DE or to run a bare server with no WM? Do you want a web browser, or a graphical text editor, or a pony?
Realistically, assuming you are aiming for "minimal" yet sufficient for the type of user who would ask such a question, you will want xorg-server, xorg-xinit, a window manager, and some client programs (terminal, web browser, perhaps a file manager if that's your taste). On some hardware you'd also need a xorg video driver, but for your intel system that's generally not a good idea anymore (the modesetting driver provided by the kernel tends to be better).

Thanks , This answer explained all the scenarios for me very well , at present I am using sddm so I guess xorg would be needed as well.

Thanks to all the other users for giving valuable input.

Trilby · 2023-07-18 11:55:16

And this is why I have come to hate the word "minimal" ... as it can mean pretty much anything (A DM is anything but minimal in my book).

dakota · 2023-07-18 13:10:49

saleem wrote:

...at present I am using sddm so I guess xorg would be needed as well.

Did I misunderstand Trilby, Seth, and Lone_Wolf? Because it sounded to me like they were saying you don't need xorg. Just xorg-server and sddm.

saleem · 2023-07-21 10:22:21

I am using startx , so xorg-server , xorg-xinit sound enough to run openbox for me , with intel gpu driver and may be if needed some individual x packages

seth · 2023-07-21 11:23:17

with intel gpu driver

Rather not.

Trilby · 2023-07-21 12:18:37

This new question has now been asked and answered here several times. There's nothing more that can be done here if you don't read what has already been posted.

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