[SOLVED] Yay says package I just installed is not found

malonn · 2023-09-29 12:52:25

I don't know. Every site I've gone to so far rates YaY as the top dog. Not a one mentioned makepkg. I can trust you or the review sites. Yay's let me down so I'm switching, but to what...

loqs · 2023-09-29 13:14:18

Did the review sites you found include the warnings from AUR_helpers? Have you read through Arch_User_Repository#Getting_started?

malonn · 2023-09-29 13:20:05

No, no warnings. And I haven't read that article yet. I was planning on it though, prior to choosing where to go with all this.

The wiki is the beez neez though. I'll drop the review browsing and go straight to the source.

Trilby · 2023-09-29 13:30:17

Third party websites are shit. They tend to be recipes for disaster. Follow the wiki.

There is no doubt that yay is popular, but that doesn't mean it is good. It is "popular" among people who try arch for a week, completely geek out about it and think they're special because they managed to install it. Then they post all over the blogosphere about how great yay is. What you don't read is that a week later they've given up on arch because everything is broken and has gone to shit (because of their bad choices).

While I suspect you will find a few experienced long-time archers who prefer yay, there are two things to keep in mind 1) such people are a very very small minority of experienced users, and 2) even they will say NO ONE should use yay, or any other AUR helper, until they understand how the AUR works (by getting experience using just the officially supported tools: makepkg and pacman).

In the absence of a substantial number of AUR packages in use, and / or AUR packages that depend on other AUR packages, helpers don't help. They add a lot of complexity and bug-surface for no benefit whatsoever. If / when you get to a point where you have a lot of AUR packages that depend on other AUR packages, then a good helper might be waranted. But if you don't write it yourself (so you fully understand it) you should chose one made by a skilled and knowledgable coder - right now Alad's project may be the only one in that category (~~aur tools I think it's called - I've never had a use for it myself~~ edit: aurutils).

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malonn · 2023-09-29 13:52:11

Good stuff, thanks for the insight. Throughout my installation and configuring of Arch, I've used the Wiki extensively (some other websites as well that did enlighten me to certain things)

Assuming by your registration date, you've been using Arch for ~12 years. So, if you say there is little need for a AUR Helper, then I'll trust your word. Plus, follow to the wiki (which, I haven't finished the article yet).

Lone_Wolf · 2023-09-30 11:46:27

malonn wrote:

So, if you say there is little need for a AUR Helper,

Trilby is far from the only one who feels that way, The top 50 posters include some that wrote their own aur helper, but I doubt very much there are yay users on that list .

malonn · 2023-09-30 12:00:44

Do you use an AUR Helper, @Lone_Wolf?

Lone_Wolf · 2023-09-30 12:21:07

Short answer : no .

Long answer :

I have used cower in the past, also occasionally aurutils and a helper-which-name-I -can't-recall (it was created by Eschwartz) .

makepkg and extra-x86_64-build (from devtools) are what I use to build things 99% of the time.

I do have a custom local repository that holds binaries of all packages I maintain or use from AUR and some local ones for personal use.

ewaller · 2023-09-30 14:48:43

I use auracle. It does a nice job of providing a search utility and managing PKGBUILD downloads and keeping them up to date. One still builds the packages themselves with makepkg

malonn · 2023-09-30 15:10:09

Dern, I have a lot to learn about Arch. I am but an infant. The wiki helps immensely, but there is always more to know.

Auracle, eh? Sounds safer, but I'm going to avoid helpers until I master the ropes.

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