How do you find product and vendor id for xorg.conf

ThinkPad · 2024-01-08 16:08:55

Setting persistent keyboard configurations for X Session is described here, which leads eventually to this manual.

What's not described in the wiki nor the manual is how to find these vendor and product ids.

d.ALT · 2024-01-08 16:45:02

ThinkPad wrote:

What's not described in the wiki nor the manual is how to find these vendor and product ids.

Have you got a try with

# lsusb

?

ThinkPad · 2024-01-08 17:09:42

Thanks for the response. I have found both `lsusb` and `xinput`. My problem with both is twofold. Neither specify in their manuals or output column headers and neither are mentioned in the cited pages of the wiki.

Trilby · 2024-01-08 19:21:52

The method may depend on the type of device. For input devices, the Xorg page links to the libinput page which gives commands including `# libinput list-devices`.

loqs · 2024-01-08 19:25:31

How many keyboards are attached to the system? Is no other match possible than using VID:PID? What settings do you wish to make persistent? What is the current Xorg.log and what config files that you have generated is X currently using?

ThinkPad · 2024-01-08 20:56:03

I suggest there be a wiki page for this. You guys are demonstrating it's a topic worth discussing with different possibilities and use cases.

seth · 2024-01-08 21:39:56

This is https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=291723 and you could most likely just use https://man.archlinux.org/man/extra/xor … tchProduct

ThinkPad · 2024-01-08 23:45:55

The topic is not relevant. The man page, as I stated, does not explain how to find this information.

Trilby · 2024-01-08 23:56:27

So what is it you want? Do you want someone to acknowledge that your life has been hard?

Seriously, you've been provided with everything you've asked and refused to reply to anyone else's questions. If you want to change the Xorg man pages you'd have to take that upstream to Xorg devs.

loqs · 2024-01-09 00:10:02

From the man page linked by seth https://man.archlinux.org/man/extra/xor … MatchUSBID

MatchUSBID "matchusb"
The device's USB ID can be checked against the "matchusb" shell wildcard pattern. The ID is constructed as lowercase hexadecimal numbers separated by a ':'. This is the same format as the lsusb(8) program.

You can not locate a field in the lsusb output that is composed of hexadecimal numbers separated by a ':'?

If you want changes to be made on the wiki. That should be discussed on the wiki.

ThinkPad · 2024-01-09 00:51:12

loqs wrote:

If you want changes to be made on the wiki. That should be discussed on the wiki.

Thank you. This is helpful and correct.

I came here first in case there was documentation I was missing, or something under different vocabulary.

Now that my position is reinforced, I will take this there.

seth · 2024-01-09 07:32:11

Please make sure to link them this thread to stress how forceful your position is.

And, just for the records, the other thread was rather relevant to everyone else and their questions in this thread.
We might have to consider the hypothesis that you're not the only being in this world.

Edit: oh, and pretty much relevant information shows up in the xorg log or xinput.
I'm so deeply sorry that I didn't predict that you don't know that and told you in the other thread.
I almost would have forced you to ask.

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ThinkPad · 2024-01-09 16:58:17

Your response would have been better suited in that other thread.
Instead, you tracked me down here and didn't respond to the last point
in either thread. Had I needed that information as it pertains to the
other post, I would've asked there.

I started this new post to address the documentation issue I found. It
is intentionally in the Newbie Corner to establish the context, which is
"As a new user, how do I solve..." Yes, I found the answer, but for new
users, this is not a smooth search. I came here to get guidance on how
to find the answer explicitly if it's out there and I missed it, have
the tools documented in this thread, or discuss where and what wiki
efforts should be made. Following good practice, I gave a use case that
required this particular search and traversal through the docs, which
fits the new user context.

Thank you for making me realize how bad this community truly is. Look at
the response to a push for clarity.

I was going to come back to relocate this discussion to the wiki, but
it's not worth my time. Why should I care if the people more invested in
the community don't?

I value my time, and so, I value the time of others. When I solve a
problem, I like to identify what slowed me down and fix it for the next
person; to save them time.

You guys seem to want to solve a puzzle and make it just as hard for the
next person to solve such that they do not beat your time. (For if they
do, they could be smarter than you, and you need to be the smartest.
Acknowledgment of your elitism is the only gratification in your life.)

The irony is years have been spent curating and polishing the wiki for
the purpose of providing users with a tool for self-help. And when the
wiki does not contain the answer,

Users are expected to study the supporting material before
seeking help.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Help:Reading

So naturally, it follows that if the supporting material and the wiki
are lacking the answer, a change must be made. This thread simply
confirmed that. That shouldn't upset you. It's telling that it does. It
tells me, at the very least, that our values lie separately.

The question should not be "Can you figure it out?" The question should
be "How hard is it to figure out?" Otherwise, why go through all the
trouble of compiling a wiki in the first place? Why maintain it? Why
participate in the forums? If there's no concern for time and struggle,
and worse, if struggle is some metric accolade (as it seems to be), then
why not leave users blind? They can figure it out; eventually. Why not
delete the wiki? If questions and requests for improvement bother you,
why field them? Delete the forums too! At least it'll fit your
mentality. (You will then be among the most elite! The most elite who
have wasted the most of their lives! The barrier to entry is then far
too high! They can never waste as much life as you! They would never
even dare! Not without a wiki! They wouldn't know where to begin!)

You spend your time here. Answer to "Why?"

If everyone who came before and everyone who comes hereafter must endure
the same struggle, only to achieve the same result, in the same amount
of time, what then is the measure of progress?

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Trilby · 2024-01-09 18:28:39

ThinkPad wrote:

Look at the response to a push for clarity.

Indeed. It seems no one here except you has any idea what you're going on about. There have been many pushes for clarity given to you and you reply with rants about this community.

Life is a two way street.

V1del · 2024-01-09 18:39:22

FWIW to bring this into a slightly fruitful direction, you might want to link to the talk proposal you're going to make and even better, said talk proposal should link to a draft of the changes you would want to make that make this clearer for new users, while adhering and following with the wiki style guides.

seth · 2024-01-09 21:24:15

Instead, you tracked me down here and didn't respond to the last point

Look at my post count. I don't track anyone, I look at pretty much post threads that are opened.
Get help.

For "the last point" and the rest of your insane ramblings: tl;dr

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