Can't get latest Nvidia beta drivers to take no matter what I do

stuperman · 2025-04-22 02:25:15

Howdy all...I have an issue I've been working on for 3 days off and on that's driving me crazy. After I attempt to install the latest NVIDIA beta drivers I start getting vulkan related errors and crashes.

What I've tried: I've tried installing from NVIDIA's .run file despite my better judgement. I've installed Nvidia-beta via the AUR package. No errors...just no worky. Finally I tried the Nvidia-all package that is out there and again...vulkan errors. I have a NVIDIA GTX 3080 laptop GPU. Every attempt is proceeded by a fresh install. I've probably reinstalled 10 times or more at this point. Vulkan-icd-loader and lib32-vulkan-icd-loader both installed as well as nvidia-beta-utils. VKCube runs unless I try to do it under gamescope...then it dies with a vulkan error. Tried installing nouveau driver and replacing it with the beta, as well.

Here's an error when I try starting lutris:

[stuperman@bluearch nvidia-all]$ lutris

2025-04-21 18:38:32,394: Starting Lutris 0.5.19

2025-04-21 18:38:32,688: "card1" is NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Laptop GPU (10de:249c 1a58:2018 nvidia) Driver 575.51.02

ERROR: [Loader Message] Code 0 : vkCreateInstance: Found no drivers!

Cannot create Vulkan instance.

This problem is often caused by a faulty installation of the Vulkan driver or attempting to use a GPU that does not support Vulkan.

ERROR at /usr/src/debug/vulkan-tools/Vulkan-Tools/vulkaninfo/./vulkaninfo.h:574:vkCreateInstance failed with ERROR_INCOMPATIBLE_DRIVER

2025-04-21 18:38:32,690: ['vulkaninfo', '--summary'] command failed: Command '['vulkaninfo', '--summary']' returned non-zero exit status 1.

2025-04-21 18:38:33,089: "card0" is No GPU (simple-framebuffer) Driver None

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Here's the error when I try launching most games from lutris:

gamescope] [[0;34mInfo[0m] [0;37mvulkan:[0m selecting physical device 'NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Laptop GPU': queue family 2 (general queue family 0)

[gamescope] [[0;34mInfo[0m] [0;37mvulkan:[0m physical device supports DRM format modifiers

[gamescope] [[0;31mError[0m] [0;37mvulkan:[0m vkCreateDevice failed (VkResult: -7)

terminate called without an active exception

Monitored process exited.

Initial process has exited (return code: 134)

All processes have quit

Exit with return code 134

That VkResult: 7 really concerns me because I've seen it pop off somewhat frequently especially in flatpaks and I have never been able to troubleshoot it.

Last edited by stuperman (2025-04-22 02:28:11)

seth · 2025-04-22 08:08:55

Does it work w/ the non-beta https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nvidia/ ?

generically, export VK_DRIVER_FILES, disable the https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA … P_firmware and add nvidia_drm.modeset=1 to the https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_parameters to make sure it's enabled and block the simpledrm device that should™ not be card0

WorMzy · 2025-04-22 08:37:07

Mod note: moving to AUR Issues

tekstryder · 2025-04-22 13:42:43

stuperman wrote:

I've tried installing from NVIDIA's .run file despite my better judgement

Don't do that. You knew not to do that. Are you sure you undid that?

I don't use lutris/gamescope so cannot test for you.

Neither do I use the AUR driver packages. So many of the nvidia-utils changes from recent months are not incorporated.

However, since Arch went with 570.144 Production Branch, I did recently build nvidia-{dkms,utils} for the 575.51.02 Beta drivers using the Arch patches. No new issues. I suggest trying that.

stuperman wrote:

Tried installing nouveau driver and replacing it with the beta, as well.

I'm simply curious... what was that supposed to accomplish?

stuperman · 2025-04-22 22:46:01

tekstryder wrote:

Don't do that. You knew not to do that. Are you sure you undid that?
I don't use lutris/gamescope so cannot test for you.
Neither do I use the AUR driver packages. So many of the nvidia-utils changes from recent months are not incorporated.
However, since Arch went with 570.144 Production Branch, I did recently build nvidia-{dkms,utils} for the 575.51.02 Beta drivers using the Arch patches. No new issues. I suggest trying that.

stuperman wrote:
Tried installing nouveau driver and replacing it with the beta, as well.
I'm simply curious... what was that supposed to accomplish?

On slackware, that method has worked well for me. It's how I've been able to get the drivers to take on other systems. The NVIDIA driver understands the presence of Nouveau and will disable it for you whereas I've seen it leave residule of other drivers around.

It doesn't matter however, because I did a clean install with no drivers today...installed the AUR git...and still have the same problem. For my own sanity I'm probably going to have to table this one for awhile. I was sort of hoping someone else might have seen this and had a quick fix...that's all. As far as "are you sure you undid that", again, I'm starting fresh every time. This is my on a non-production system at home playing around, strictly.

There is something that the archinsall method is taking care of vulkan-wise that I'm not able to recreate manually. If I do an archinstall with nvidia or nvidia-open I do not have this issue. Problem is they don't have the beta drivers that I think will fix some games for me.

Scimmia · 2025-04-22 23:27:03

What, exactly, did you install?

stuperman · 2025-04-23 00:27:09

Scimmia wrote:

What, exactly, did you install?

My goal is to install the latest Nvidia beta drivers from either the AUR repository or the "nvidia-all" git. I've never had much luck using the .run system that NVidia uses so I thought the AUR repository could be easier.

Both methods use the makepkg -s (or si) installation method. Both are squeeky clean when I run them, no compilation errors or dependency issues reported. However once the actual packages get installed, it breaks my Vulkan somewhere (I suspect the 32 bit version). I tried this today on a new arch install (the long way) where I specified no video drivers at all. So, even with no other previous driver installation (like another Nvidia version or Nouveau) Vulkan is still broken. This manifests itself in a few ways, but in particular gamescope or lutris have a huge problem running vulkan games. In every other way, the beta driver appears to work (I have hi-resolution and in wayland I can choose HDR and everything).

Scimmia · 2025-04-23 00:30:58

Stop paraphrasing, start giving specific answers.

What *package names* did you install from the AUR?

As for nvidia-all, forget that pile of ahit exists.

stuperman · 2025-04-23 02:48:56

Scimmia wrote:

Stop paraphrasing, start giving specific answers.
What *package names* did you install from the AUR?
As for nvidia-all, forget that pile of ahit exists.

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-beta
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-utils-beta
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/opencl-nvidia-beta

Thanks for the advice on the nvidia-all package. I'll eliminate that from any future attempts.

Last edited by stuperman (2025-04-23 02:49:48)

seth · 2025-04-23 06:31:34

seth wrote:

Does it work w/ the non-beta https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nvidia/ ?
generically, export VK_DRIVER_FILES, disable the https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA … P_firmware and add nvidia_drm.modeset=1 to the https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_parameters to make sure it's enabled and block the simpledrm device that should™ not be card0

And also actually post the output of

vulkaninfo --summary

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#1 2025-04-22 02:25:15

Can't get latest Nvidia beta drivers to take no matter what I do

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