orphan in community

Jacek Poplawski · 2006-12-30 15:12:23

How can I adopt orphan package which is in community?
Will I be new maintaner? Or will package be moved from community to unstable?

Basu · 2006-12-30 16:44:26

what package do you want to adopt?

chrismortimore · 2006-12-30 18:09:58

This thread may shed light on orphaned community packages: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=27489

Jacek Poplawski · 2006-12-30 21:00:25

I wanted to update Slune.

fk · 2006-12-30 21:04:59

If you want to update packages in community, you must becomme a TU

Jacek Poplawski · 2006-12-30 21:59:40

Then why orphaned packages exist in community?

Romashka · 2006-12-30 23:18:19

Jacek Poplawski wrote:

Then why orphaned packages exist in community?

1) because maintainer orphaned it
2) when moving package from unsupported to communnity TU forgot to adopt it (it becomes orphaned automatically when placed in community first time).

Any TU can update any packagem but if TU doesn't use it, he most probably won't adopt it.
TUs don't want to move packages from community to unsupported, because already existing users expect to have updates.

Jacek Poplawski · 2006-12-31 01:42:23

Thanks. So... how can I update Slune to new version? Should I create Slune-unsupported package?

WillySilly · 2006-12-31 02:31:16

Duplicate packages are forbidden

Snowman · 2007-01-01 21:52:31

I did tried to update slune a while ago but a one point in the 1st level there was a freeze. I posted a comment about that. As I couldn't find the problem I gave up and orphaned it due tu time/ interest. If you want, you could check if the game freezes on your machine. If not I'll assume it a problem on my side and will do the update. I can provide the updated PKGBUILD.

dolby · 2007-01-26 23:37:11

how do packages that dont come from AUR get picked to be placed in [community]?
noticed earlier that some packages dont have any votes at all, or even 1-5 votes.
when a TU or developer makes a pkg it automatically goes to community rather than AUR which would be the case if a normal user did?
imo, if something like that is applicable ppl should vote for community packages like they do for AUR. maybe adding an .install script in each that adds a vote or something (and removes it when removed?).
if ppl dont use em is there a reason for the pkgs to stay there?
also is there any chance that a package eg. from extra has a dependency from community? why not moving all orphans to AUR? i think most are Willysilly's but if ppl actually use em they gonna get back to community pretty soon..right?
just some thoughts.

Romashka · 2007-01-27 00:09:16

dolby wrote:

how do packages that dont come from AUR get picked to be placed in [community]?

Usually it happens when TU has made nice package that may be useful for many people but is not yet even in AUR.

dolby wrote:

noticed earlier that some packages dont have any votes at all, or even 1-5 votes.

Votes don't really matter much.
Also, some time ago all votes were lost due to AUR breakage.

dolby wrote:

when a TU or developer makes a pkg it automatically goes to community rather than AUR which would be the case if a normal user did?

No. TUs can upload packages to Unsupported too.

dolby wrote:

imo, if something like that is applicable ppl should vote for community packages like they do for AUR. maybe adding an .install script in each that adds a vote or something (and removes it when removed?).

Package usage tracking was discussed many times, but it's not implemented as of now.
And I don't think your proposal is good, adding usage tracking functionality to .install files is one of the worst ways, IMO.

dolby wrote:

if ppl dont use em is there a reason for the pkgs to stay there?

As a general rule - TUs prefer to not move packages from community to unsupported, because users that may use them expect updated versions in community.
Anyway counting real usage is impossible. The easiest and rough aproximation may be done by counting downloads from FTP (this won't count mirrors/NAT/etc, of course).

dolby wrote:

also is there any chance that a package eg. from extra has a dependency from community?

No. All dependencies of any package in Extra must be either in Current or Extra. They are moved there from Community if needed.

dolby wrote:

why not moving all orphans to AUR? i think most are Willysilly's but if ppl actually use em they gonna get back to community pretty soon..right?

Some of them may be put back into Unsupported if no TU will adopt them.

BTW, you and many other users are confusing AUR with Unsupported.
AUR = Unsupported + Community.
Every Arch Newsletter until few recent had this in FAQ in the end:

Q: What is the difference between AUR, COMMUNITY, and UNSUPPORTED?
A: AUR(Arch User Repository) is the name of the whole new system which is maintained by the TUs(Trusted Users). It lets anybody that signs up to upload PKGBUILDs to UNSUPPORTED but only TUs have access to COMMUNITY which is a binary repo that you can use with Pacman.

lucke · 2007-01-27 00:45:56

As for tracking usage - perhaps ArchStats should be a tad more exposed.

Romashka · 2007-01-27 00:48:44

lucke wrote:

As for tracking usage - perhaps ArchStats should be a tad more exposed.

Yes, but people are lazy to install it (and I think relatively small percent knows about it).

lucke · 2007-01-27 00:52:30

That's indeed why it should be more exposed. It's now hidden quite deep on Arch's page, making it hard to find.

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