[SOLVED] Latest NVIDIA updates fails to load

SimonJ · 2025-08-14 13:39:44

Hello,

Doing the latest updates results in a black screen, not even a flashing cursor. TTY is available and a downgrade fixes it.

Pacman log http://0x0.st/8CFw.txt

Journal http://0x0.st/8CFn.txt

[2025-08-14T15:24:31+0200] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ==> WARNING: Possibly missing firmware for module: 'qat_6xxx'

Would seem to be the main difference.

Is this a case of wait for the other packages to catch up?

There was an error with the nvidia files which has cleared and so I did the linux.zen and headers alone and that did boot, only when adding the nvidia packages did it fail.

Last edited by SimonJ (2025-08-15 14:39:34)

seth · 2025-08-14 14:05:09

TTY is available and a downgrade fixes it.

Aug 14 15:09:49 silex cinnamon-session-binary[1198]: WARNING: t+0.01082s: Could not read /home/simon/.config/autostart/org.buddiesofbudgie.BudgieDesktopScreensaver.desktop: Could not parse desktop file org.buddiesofbudgie.BudgieDesktopScreensaver.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary

Do you have GSK_RENDERER=ngl exported?
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 7#p2256017

Edit: the firmware warning there is just noise.

Last edited by seth (2025-08-14 14:05:33)

SimonJ · 2025-08-14 14:10:35

seth wrote:

TTY is available and a downgrade fixes it.
Aug 14 15:09:49 silex cinnamon-session-binary[1198]: WARNING: t+0.01082s: Could not read /home/simon/.config/autostart/org.buddiesofbudgie.BudgieDesktopScreensaver.desktop: Could not parse desktop file org.buddiesofbudgie.BudgieDesktopScreensaver.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary
Do you have GSK_RENDERER=ngl exported?
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 7#p2256017
Edit: the firmware warning there is just noise.

Thank you, I have removed the budgie screensaver.

I have added the export and will try an upgrade.

Scimmia · 2025-08-14 14:12:36

No, the variable should already be set, if it's not, or set to something else, there's a problem elsewhere.

Last edited by Scimmia (2025-08-14 14:14:00)

seth · 2025-08-14 14:15:25

I just highlighted the line because w/ cinnamon you're in the gtk4 realm and the known situation might apply.

GSK_RENDERER=ngl is actually schroedinger's environment - if it's already there (since the driver ships it and you problably don't locally override it) the plan would be to get rid of it.
If not:
1. why
2. try to add it

SimonJ · 2025-08-14 14:20:59

I didn't have it, I added it, no change. I removed it still the same. Last boot with upgrades http://0x0.st/8CCQ.txt

I see this in the journal

Aug 14 16:13:31 silex kernel: platform regulatory.0: Direct firmware load for regulatory.db failed with error -2
Aug 14 16:13:31 silex kernel: cfg80211: failed to load regulatory.db

This has nothing to do with it, it is in the working boot journal also.

I have upgrade kernel and headers and still boots OK http://0x0.st/Krr-.txt

So it is just nvidia-open-dkms nvidia-utils lib32-nvidia-utils

Last edited by SimonJ (2025-08-14 15:17:14)

seth · 2025-08-14 15:29:53

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Networ … ory_domain - irrelevant.

Aug 14 16:13:33 silex lightdm[1178]: pam_succeed_if(lightdm-autologin:auth): requirement "user ingroup autologin" was met by user "simon"

What if you disable the autologin? Can you start just lightdm?
If not, please post Xorg log and lightm log.

SimonJ · 2025-08-14 16:13:25

It does load but there is a 30 seconds (approx) delay from when the normal desktop would appear and this loading.

Journal http://0x0.st/Krze.txt

Lightdm http://0x0.st/Krz9.txt

Xorg http://0x0.st/Krzp.txt

Last edited by SimonJ (2025-08-14 16:16:23)

seth · 2025-08-14 19:09:27

Aug 14 18:11:35 silex lightdm[1166]: pam_succeed_if(lightdm-autologin:auth): requirement "user ingroup autologin" was met by user "simon"
Aug 14 18:11:35 silex lightdm[1166]: pam_unix(lightdm-autologin:session): session opened for user simon(uid=1000) by simon(uid=0)

?

[     8.441] (II) Applying OutputClass "nvidia" options to /dev/dri/card1
[     8.503] (II) modeset(G0): glamor X acceleration enabled on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU/PCIe/SSE2
…
[     8.572] (II) modeset(G0): [DRI2] Setup complete
[     8.572] (II) modeset(G0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: nouveau
[     8.572] (II) modeset(G0): [DRI2]   VDPAU driver: nouveau
[     8.573] (EE) modeset(G0): Failed to create pixmap
[     8.575] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting"
[     8.575] (II) UnloadSubModule: "glamoregl"
[     8.575] (II) Unloading glamoregl
[     8.575] xf86: found device 1
[    39.257] (II) modeset(0): EDID vendor "CMN", prod id 5634
[    39.257] (II) modeset(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
[    39.257] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0  342.06  1920 1968 2000 2080  1080 1090 1096 1142 -hsync -vsync (164.5 kHz eP)
[    39.257] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0  342.06  1920 1968 2000 2080  1080 1090 1096 2284 -hsync -vsync (164.5 kHz e)

pacman -Qikk nvidia-utils
lsmod | grep nvidia
modinfo nvidia_drm

SimonJ · 2025-08-14 19:13:59

pacman -Qikk nvidia-utils
Name            : nvidia-utils
Version         : 580.76.05-3
Description     : NVIDIA drivers utilities
Architecture    : x86_64
URL             : http://www.nvidia.com/
Licenses        : custom
Groups          : None
Provides        : vulkan-driver  opengl-driver  nvidia-libgl
Depends On      : libglvnd  egl-wayland  egl-gbm  egl-x11
Optional Deps   : nvidia-settings: configuration tool [installed]
                  xorg-server: Xorg support [installed]
                  xorg-server-devel: nvidia-xconfig
                  opencl-nvidia: OpenCL support
Required By     : lib32-nvidia-utils  libglvnd  nvidia-open-dkms  nvidia-settings  steam
Optional For    : ffmpeg  ffmpeg4.4  libvdpau  sdl3  vulkan-icd-loader
Conflicts With  : nvidia-libgl
Replaces        : nvidia-libgl
Installed Size  : 886.10 MiB
Packager        : Frederik Schwan <freswa@archlinux.org>
Build Date      : Wed 13 Aug 2025 22:33:29 CEST
Install Date    : Thu 14 Aug 2025 18:04:47 CEST
Install Reason  : Installed as a dependency for another package
Install Script  : Yes
Validated By    : Signature

nvidia-utils: 259 total files, 0 altered files

lsmod | grep nvidia
nvidia_drm            143360  5
nvidia_modeset       2195456  4 nvidia_drm
drm_ttm_helper         16384  2 nvidia_drm,xe
video                  81920  3 xe,i915,nvidia_modeset
nvidia_uvm           4108288  0
nvidia              15892480  44 nvidia_uvm,nvidia_modeset

modinfo nvidia_drm
filename:       /lib/modules/6.16.0-zen2-1-zen/updates/dkms/nvidia-drm.ko.zst
version:        580.76.05
supported:      external
license:        Dual MIT/GPL
srcversion:     AA11088B60EF2AA009BB0C0
alias:          pci:v000010DEd*sv*sd*bc06sc80i00*
alias:          pci:v000010DEd*sv*sd*bc03sc02i00*
alias:          pci:v000010DEd*sv*sd*bc03sc00i00*
depends:        nvidia-modeset,drm_ttm_helper
name:           nvidia_drm
retpoline:      Y
vermagic:       6.16.0-zen2-1-zen SMP preempt mod_unload 
sig_id:         PKCS#7
signer:         DKMS module signing key
sig_key:        70:C3:61:4F:3C:B8:ED:CF:98:DE:76:F6:4F:17:36:A8:9B:BC:00:C2
sig_hashalgo:   sha512
signature:      1D:5D:72:D6:3F:7F:E2:E8:EB:A1:B5:D3:95:40:1E:A8:98:DB:BD:8D:
		F1:39:48:DD:C9:76:58:A0:F0:43:25:8B:58:12:1A:E9:4D:5D:75:51:
		2A:CC:B5:D0:50:34:38:BB:78:7A:7B:A2:FF:CE:C6:1E:87:9E:F0:58:
		DE:27:5A:F2:C9:4E:E6:32:D8:CD:11:D4:05:97:34:85:09:36:83:CB:
		01:02:5B:51:BB:5B:28:57:8C:D9:6B:D9:5B:39:2A:0E:C0:14:C0:EC:
		15:71:9D:BA:88:80:CD:4E:B1:84:56:C4:70:61:42:43:B1:A5:B2:5D:
		5D:3F:00:8C:05:1F:FE:EA:AA:10:53:CE:A9:AF:F2:68:13:A6:36:EA:
		AB:CD:7F:C5:1D:2A:00:9E:28:39:DC:A0:75:27:75:F5:7C:1D:73:56:
		DC:EC:AC:82:5B:D0:14:82:C2:E0:2E:28:98:06:93:BC:B6:23:2D:A6:
		BC:B7:CF:9C:08:72:C7:BA:8F:FC:EA:78:49:BD:45:34:05:CC:3C:79:
		AE:AC:4C:66:B8:D7:FF:B5:3E:AE:C5:AD:CE:31:18:0B:44:28:30:91:
		C7:C3:DB:75:AF:EF:83:9B:09:98:2B:58:EA:48:AD:F3:56:15:FB:9A:
		C0:41:B8:1D:E5:CA:DA:DC:DD:20:A2:04:FF:A4:EA:9E
parm:           modeset:Enable atomic kernel modesetting (1 = enable (default), 0 = disable) (bool)
parm:           fbdev:Create a framebuffer device (1 = enable (default), 0 = disable) (bool)

Thank you for your help.

seth · 2025-08-14 19:29:59

The journal and lsmod output and the xorg log fall apart.
Why is the latter operating on nouveau??
Do you get the same w/ the non-open, normally evil nvidia module?

SimonJ · 2025-08-14 19:33:19

I have been using open since the nvidia non-open kept breaking, Is this Cinnamon related? This is new for me, I swapped out XFCE after the keybdled issue.

seth · 2025-08-14 19:39:43

Is this Cinnamon related?

According to the posted Xorg log you are NOT running on the nvidia module, but nouveau (which is the weird part)
Something about the data you posted doesn't add up and we'll have to sort that out.
Can you please post journal, xorg and lightdm log w/ the 575xx driver?

nvidia non-open kept breaking

What does that mean?

SimonJ · 2025-08-14 19:50:56

Journal http://0x0.st/Kroe.txt

Xorg http://0x0.st/KroL.txt

Lightdm http://0x0.st/Kro9.txt

Thank you.

seth · 2025-08-14 20:02:18

That's running on nvidia and fwwi your previous log alos had

[     8.441] (II) Applying OutputClass "nvidia" options to /dev/dri/card1

but

[     8.441] (II) modeset(G0): using drv /dev/dri/card1
[     8.441] (II) modeset(G0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
	"Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
[     8.441] (==) modeset(G0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
[     8.441] (II) Applying OutputClass "nvidia" options to /dev/dri/card1

*after* the modesetting took hold of the device.

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 7#p2255847

SimonJ · 2025-08-15 04:20:50

seth wrote:

That's running on nvidia and fwwi your previous log alos had

[     8.441] (II) Applying OutputClass "nvidia" options to /dev/dri/card1

but

[     8.441] (II) modeset(G0): using drv /dev/dri/card1
[     8.441] (II) modeset(G0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
	"Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
[     8.441] (==) modeset(G0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
[     8.441] (II) Applying OutputClass "nvidia" options to /dev/dri/card1

*after* the modesetting took hold of the device.

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 7#p2255847

This changed nothing except no wallpaper, I have reverted the change.

Last edited by SimonJ (2025-08-15 04:25:41)

seth · 2025-08-15 06:15:26

Do you still have the X11 log for that attempt?
Also what do you mean by "no wallpaper"? The OP suggested

Doing the latest updates results in a black screen, not even a flashing cursor.

SimonJ · 2025-08-15 06:20:05

seth wrote:

Do you still have the X11 log for that attempt?
Also what do you mean by "no wallpaper"? The OP suggested
Doing the latest updates results in a black screen, not even a flashing cursor.

When the desktop finally loaded the desktop wallpaper was missing, just black, there were icons and everything else visible just the wallpaper missing. I removed the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nudge_nvidia.conf rebooted and it was all back to normal. Just the delay in loading the desktop.

Xorg log http://0x0.st/KrZe.txt

seth · 2025-08-15 07:25:25

That log

[  2513.576] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  575.64.05  Fri Jul 18 15:48:33 UTC 2025

was w/* the 575xx drivers and also doesn't include the suggested config.

SimonJ · 2025-08-15 07:40:56

Sorry, this is the correct one https://0x0.st/KrN9.txt

seth · 2025-08-15 13:11:47

[     7.729] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  580.76.05  Thu Aug  7 19:59:47 UTC 2025
[     7.729] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs
[     7.734] (II) modeset(0): using drv /dev/dri/card2
[     7.734] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
[     7.734] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
[     7.734] (II) Module "fb" already built-in
[     7.734] (II) Loading sub module "wfb"
[     7.734] (II) LoadModule: "wfb"
[     7.734] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so
[     7.735] (II) Module wfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[     7.735] 	compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 1.0.0
[     7.735] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[     8.228] (EE) Screen 1 deleted because of no matching config section.
[     8.228] (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
…
[     8.540] (II) config/udev: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card1)
[     8.540] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card1)
[     8.540] (II) Platform probe for /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/drm/card1
[     8.540] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"
[     8.540] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so
[     8.540] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[     8.540] 	compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 1.21.1
[     8.540] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[     8.540] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2
[     8.540] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting"
[     8.540] (II) Unloading modesetting
[     8.540] (II) Failed to load module "modesetting" (already loaded, 0)
[     8.540] (II) modeset(G0): using drv /dev/dri/card1
[     8.540] (==) modeset(G0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
[     8.540] (II) Applying OutputClass "nvidia" options to /dev/dri/card1
[     8.540] (==) modeset(G0): RGB weight 888
[     8.540] (==) modeset(G0): Default visual is TrueColor
[     8.540] (II) Loading sub module "glamoregl"
[     8.540] (II) LoadModule: "glamoregl"
[     8.540] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so
[     8.540] (II) Module glamoregl: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[     8.540] 	compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 1.0.1
[     8.540] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[     8.598] (II) modeset(G0): glamor X acceleration enabled on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU/PCIe/SSE2
[     8.598] (II) modeset(G0): glamor initialized

A-what-a-the-a-fuck?
Race condition? Does everything (w/o even the nudging configlet) work if you only boot the multi-user.target, get a cup of coffee and then start the graphical.target?
(2nd link below)

SimonJ · 2025-08-15 14:05:35

If I boot to the multi-user.target, and immediately switch to the graphical.target it loads instantly.

Journal http://0x0.st/KrTk.txt

Xorg log http://0x0.st/KrT5.txt

seth · 2025-08-15 14:26:04

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd#Drop-in_files
Edit lightdm.service and add a strategic "ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/sleep 1"… (the delay in the journal is actually 19s, so maybe 1s won't cut it)

The nvidia modules already are in the initramfs, nothing to gain there…

SimonJ · 2025-08-15 14:36:17

This seems to work, I started with sleep 5, and it loads much quicker, I will edit that until it breaks and let you know.

Thank you.

Sleep 1 works, so that is solved, thank you.

Last edited by SimonJ (2025-08-15 14:39:18)

seth · 2025-08-15 14:48:20

The tighter the delay the more fragile this gets.
Sidebar, if you add "nvidia_drm.modeset=1 nvidia_drm.fbdev=0" to the https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_parameters - do you get away w/o the sleep (that's not necessarily a viable strategy and more to investigate the oranges of the problem)

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