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Hey friends, I'm trying to do a quick fresh install of Arch on my work laptop and archinstall (usually my go-to) is stuck when I try loading the mirror region option. It's stuck on "Loading mirror regions..." and I can't move past this, seemingly. Help appreciated. Thanks!
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The main Arch Linux website and repos are currently having a hard time staying reachable. It could be another round of DDoS attacks but that's only speculation on my part. Hopefully you didn't already wipe your existing installation because it's not guaranteed anyone will be able to install Arch Linux today.
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I just stumbled accross the same issue now. Honestly, this is very exhausting and pointless. I know it's not Arch Linux project's fault that some idiots decide to DDoS, but maybe it would be good idea to implement more decentralized infra with options to choose from multiple locations, or maybe some form of torrent / P2P based system that would be resilient to DDoS? Currently, it seems there is SPOF that can be easily overwhelmed and that's not good for the project and for anything that is based on it.
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Or just don't use archinstall and you won't have a problem.
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Or just don't use archinstall and you won't have a problem.
or, or - hear me out - configure it in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist and continue with archinstall. That would be much better advice. Please don't reinforce pseudoelitism. It's not helpful.
*sighs*
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you can use em tags to better emphasize your sigh
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Mod note: moving to archinstall subforums.
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Please don't reinforce pseudoelitism. It's not helpful.
This isn't "elitism", pseudo (whatever that's supposed to be…) or otherwise.
Using archinstall to skip the installation process will just cause you more headaches now to get even more headaches later on.
It exists as infrastructure for experienced users to script custom installations for mass deployment - not so everyone can put "I'm using Arch btw" on your wallpaper (you btw. can just do that - nobody will know)
You'll have to eventually learn all the stuff in the installation guide anyway - doing so while you're chasing problems is certainly A option, but not necessarily an advisable one.
That being said:
maybe it would be good idea to implement more decentralized infra with options to choose from multiple locations
You're barking at the wrong tree here anyway.
https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall/issues/ - file a bug at the tool that fails you.
Otherwise
configure it in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
would become paradoxical.
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I was wondering what "pseudoelitism" might be, as well. "False elitism"? Sounds like kiddie-speak from Reddit.
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half elitism half truth or something like that
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Please don't reinforce pseudoelitism. It's not helpful.
This isn't "elitism", pseudo (whatever that's supposed to be…) or otherwise.
Using archinstall to skip the installation process will just cause you more headaches now to get even more headaches later on.
It exists as infrastructure for experienced users to script custom installations for mass deployment - not so everyone can put "I'm using Arch btw" on your wallpaper (you btw. can just do that - nobody will know)
You'll have to eventually learn all the stuff in the installation guide anyway - doing so while you're chasing problems is certainly A option, but not necessarily an advisable one.
Nonsense. Using Arch since absolute beginning and it's not about not being able to install it manually here, so wrong assumption on your part.
Archinstall is just that, as name suggests - an installer for Arch. And might I say - finally, because it was trully obnoxious to waste time on something as simple as installing the system.
Manual installation doesn't do anything above what Archinstall script does. Yes, you can configure more things while doing manual installation, but with most installations people perform it's just the same. Or it's even more, since not everyone - for example - configures LUKS, etc.
And yes, it can be used to automate installation, but I already have lots of customized Ansible playbooks and other things for special cases. This time it supposed to be simple installation on a tiny PC connected to my son's TV, so that he can watch his stuff, so I didn't want to bother with
anything big and time consuming and so I was disappointed and irritated at the fact that it doesn't work, but I do understand why, although there are ways to avoid it, if introduced on infra part of things.
Thus, please stop talking this pseudoelitistic BS. It is pseudoelitistic, because it doesn't make you guys and girls and in between an elite to be able to install the system manually. You'll get it when you're older and more experienced, busier with things that
are more important than OS installation itself, because you have projects to run on top of the OS and OS is just a tool. Granted, quite elegant and simple, as in Arch case, but still just a tool.
I know I sound grumpy, but I'm just tired with that online attitude of personas like you folks. That's the single reason I avoided forums like plague and dealt with my IT education and issues I've had myself for years.
Enough said, do what you want with it and have a good time.
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While we're at it, I've been an arch user since years (YEARS) before archinstall was even a thing. I appreciate the convenience and it does everything I need, so... *shrug*
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Thus, please stop talking this pseudoelitistic BS. It is pseudoelitistic, because it doesn't make you guys and girls and in between an elite to be able to install the system manually. You'll get it when you're older and more experienced, busier with things that
are more important than OS installation itself, because you have projects to run on top of the OS and OS is just a tool. Granted, quite elegant and simple, as in Arch case, but still just a tool.I know I sound grumpy, but I'm just tired with that online attitude of personas like you folks. That's the single reason I avoided forums like plague and dealt with my IT education and issues I've had myself for years.
I dont think anyone is being elitist here, seth and scimmia from the looks of it, their message count, and registration date, have been helping people on these boards for years, they have spent countless hours of their time and have seen a lot and have gain a lot of experience in helping people, i think their opinion of telling people not to use archinstall is completely justified. in my opinion archinstall makes no sense for a new user, or a user at all, it provides baseline configuration and is at best supposed to be used for mass deploying arch where installing manually can be a burden. The reason i think archinstall makes no sense is because well as you pointed out is that its basically an opinionated installer, while yes you have options to choose from, at the end of the day the amount of control you have from clicking around in a user interface is very little compared to just crafting your own script. Now onto why its not good for the new user, the new user will see the script as an easy gateway into arch without wanting to learn about their system, arch is meant for people who want to do it themselves infact it says this on the wiki very clearly, when this user decides to use archinstall they will be given a system they know nothing about, they know not how to restore it if it breaks, they know not how to troubleshoot anything, they know not even how to connect to the internet probably.. so yeah.. i dont really see how you can disagree with not wanting new users to install via a script, because simply put, they know nothing and if something goes wrong 9 times out of 10 they come on these boards and have to be helped when the solution would have been to just do a manual installation and gain knowledge via reading the arch wiki that way they know how to mount partitions, they know how to chroot into a system, they know how to change a password from the command line, they know how to use pacstrap to potentially recover a system that has suffered major data loss, etc etc
Archinstall is just that, as name suggests - an installer for Arch. And might I say - finally, because it was trully obnoxious to waste time on something as simple as installing the system.
Manual installation doesn't do anything above what Archinstall script does. Yes, you can configure more things while doing manual installation, but with most installations people perform it's just the same. Or it's even more, since not everyone - for example - configures LUKS, etc.
its not about wasting time on something as simple as installing a system, its about learning the inner workings of your system, if you're an experienced user sure go ahead and script your installations but at that point the experienced user will probably just make their own script that will provide deeper customizations than what archinstall can offer. you're making an assumption, you're assuming that every user using the archinstall script knows already how to install manually and how to view logs and recover it etc, and thats wrong, and if you truly want to learn then manually installation and reading the wiki is the best path to take.
lets stop calling eachother elitists because none of us really are, we are just talking from experience, and if you call elitism anything you dont want to hear then maybe thats your own problem at hand.
Last edited by system72 (2025-12-30 06:46:11)
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Using Arch since absolute beginning and it's not about not being able to install it manually here, so …
It exists as infrastructure for experienced users to script custom installations for mass deployment - not so everyone can put "I'm using Arch btw" on your wallpaper
You were not addressed at all.
Though
Manual installation doesn't do anything above what Archinstall script does.
Maybe not to the system (except, in this case, not running you into trouble), but to the inaugural user. Namely familiarizing them with the system in front of them.
Because the crux of archlinux is not to *install* it, but to (customize and) maintain it - knowing the system and how it was setup and why, simply gives you a head-start.
It is pseudoelitistic, because it doesn't make you guys and girls and in between an elite to be able to install the system manually.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction … udoelitist
Nobody in this thread has ever claimed to be "an elite to be able to install the system manually", but
Using Arch since absolute beginning
went straight for the meme and then on
That's the single reason I avoided forums like plague and dealt with my IT education and issues I've had myself for years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection …
I'll recap that for you (and everyone interested):
Or just don't use archinstall and you won't have a problem.
pointed out the obvious in that you're not running into archinstall problems when not using archinstall.
And when
Please don't reinforce pseudoelitism.
You'll have to eventually learn all the stuff in the installation guide anyway - doing so while you're chasing problems is certainly A option, but not necessarily an advisable one.
Also, for context and again that nobody's talking about people who already know how to work around bugs in the installer anyway:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 0#p2278610
Now look for something else that you can make upset you.
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