The Archer Way

finferflu · 2007-06-25 19:35:39

Well, I've been around for a few days in these forums and I have to say I'm really satisfied.
What I particularly appreciate is the neutrality of most of the people around here, which is equal to an open mind. For example, when I was around the Sidux forums or the Debian user mailing list, I could see a lot of Ubuntu bashing, and other distros bashing. Well I hate that and it discourages me to hang around. On the Ubuntu forums I can feel the same atmosphere I feel here, acceptance and willingness to help, that's what makes a community great, and that's why I have the Ubuntu community in great consideration.
For example, during my first (and last) approach to Sidux, when I asked questions and they knew I was coming from Ubuntu, most of the replies where accompained by "Sidux is not Ubuntu" or "Debian is not Ubuntu" and things like that, as if I was requesting Ubuntu's features to be in their distro. It was kind of a pre-entive strike. And I hate that kind of atmosphere.
I think part of the problem with the Debian-based distros is that they are all from the same platform, so they need to define their peculiarity in a stronger way. Arch seems to be independent (as far as I heard, is it remotely based on Slackware? I don't know), and it goes its own way without the need of bothering/bashing any other distros. This is what I like and makes the environment healthy and inviting. I have seen this not only in the forums, but also in blogs, where people talk about Arch. Of course they're all proud Arch users, but that doesn't imply that everything else is crap. There is not even the need to compare Arch to other distros if you're fine with it, I guess.

In conclusion, thumbs up for the Arch community, and I'm happy to be part of it

By the way: I hope you don't take this as Sidux/Debian bashing, I'm talking about the attitude of the communities, not the actual distros.

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slackhack · 2007-06-25 19:42:07

welcome!

no need to bash when you've got the best.

finferflu · 2007-06-25 19:43:53

That pretty much summarizes my last statement before the conclusion

lucke · 2007-06-25 19:50:42

We don't bash, we zsh!

Well, at least some of us.

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insane · 2007-06-25 19:56:30

From what I have seen while lurking in this forum, people are more oriented in keeping the job done and helping as much as they can, rather than marketing the distro as one of the best. That is why when Arch gets high points in Distrowatch the most common reaction is "so what?".

pelle.k · 2007-06-25 20:00:14

as far as I heard, is it remotely based on Slackware?

No, but as I understand it, Arch is heavily inspired by crux in it's design philosophy.

and it goes its own way without the need of bothering/bashing any other distros

I agree. Bashing really turns me off as well. I still use ubuntu, and happen to think it fills it's niche.
Can it be that many Arch users are often "grown up" mentally? (Since setting arch up requires a tad bit more effort than your average distro?)
Either way, Arch users often "solve the problem" instead of giving up and blame the distro.

btw, Welcome!

finferflu · 2007-06-25 20:12:43

pelle.k wrote:

as far as I heard, is it remotely based on Slackware?
No, but as I understand it, Arch is heavily inspired by crux in it's design philosophy.
and it goes its own way without the need of bothering/bashing any other distros
I agree. Bashing really turns me off as well. I still use ubuntu, and happen to think it fills it's niche.
Can it be that many Arch users are often "grown up" mentally? (Since setting arch up requires a tad bit more effort than your average distro?)
Either way, Arch users often "solve the problem" instead of giving up and blame the distro.
btw, Welcome!

I think you're right on that, I forgot about mental maturity. That could be a factor as well. Even though other distros as well require a certain effort to set it up. Arch can be based on textual configuration but it's not more difficul than Debian, actually I find it more straight forward on this point. And I'm not an experienced user or what it's called a "power-user".

As for Ubuntu, I still have Feisty on my other partition. Ubuntu is still great in my opinion, it's just not what I am looking for. Arch is what I've been always looking for in a Linux distro. And I think I've seen you around the Ubuntu forums if my memory is not so bad...

Thank you all for the welcome

mecon · 2007-06-26 02:53:28

Arches' community is good, no distro bashing, good distro. At least your not dealing with BSDers they are up there with lisp weenies. but there not as bashing as debian guys.

Dusty · 2007-06-26 04:37:40

Thanks for the acknowledgement and compliments. As community leaders, we try to instil the kind of helpful open atmosphere you've found here. Theoretically we would do that by suggestive moderation and deleting posts that don't fit the philosophy. But we don't have to. This community is so great, the most work I've done lately is rename a forum. :-) Since I'm here anyway, I'd like to thank all our members for being such a great community.

Arch has grown slowly, from one developer to the many users it has now. That first developer has a wonderful attitude, and I think as Arch grows, Judd's outlook and patience has simply permeated the members that come to appreciate Arch.

I suspect Mark Shuttleworth must have a similar attitude, because I agree that the Ubuntu community is a great group overall as well.

Dusty

F · 2007-06-26 04:38:57

lucke wrote:

We don't bash, we zsh!
Well, at least some of us.

hear hear!

This community is awesome. I'll hate to see it spoil.

brain0 · 2007-06-26 06:58:02

Dusty wrote:

I suspect Mark Shuttleworth must have a similar attitude, because I agree that the Ubuntu community is a great group overall as well.

Attitude maybe. But he also throws lots of money towards Ubuntu, which nobody does with Arch.

Stalwart · 2007-06-26 17:05:04

Arch community is here to help each other, not to flame around

chilebiker · 2007-06-26 21:19:18

pelle.k wrote:

Can it be that many Arch users are often "grown up" mentally? (Since setting arch up requires a tad bit more effort than your average distro?)
Either way, Arch users often "solve the problem" instead of giving up and blame the distro.

I think that's true. Probably Arch attracts that kind of people, people willing to learn, read and search the forum and wiki. That's better than bashing anyway!

Thrillhouse · 2007-06-26 23:33:36

I have to agree with finferflu's original comments. I'm pretty new here and have found the forum to be very friendly (and very advanced). Arch and its users seem like the kind of distro that appreciates new users but won't sell out to get them, believing that as people's skills with Linux advance, so will their attraction towards Arch. Reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite's movies: "If you build it, they will come."

I have my own opinions about the merits of certain distributions, both good and bad, but don't express them unless someone asks.

N1ckR · 2007-06-27 16:26:15

I mentioned this on another thread, but the community here is the swaying factor for me - enough for me to hangaround even if I have to stop using Arch.

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dunc · 2007-06-27 23:22:19

As another fairly new Arch user, I might as well stick my oar in. The forums seem really friendly, but the one thing that's really impressed me about Arch is that so far I haven't had much reason to find out. Most problems I've had are either dealt with in the Wiki, old forum posts (where it's quite clear people here get to the point without all the flaming and backbiting you see elsewhere), or I've been able to figure them out for myself. That's a real breath of fresh air, and backs up pelle.k's point in a way, I suppose.

A.I. BOT · 2007-06-28 02:41:19

Yeah, very true theres no flaming or backbiting as you say dunc. I remember last year I posted a help question on a distro's forum about Apache asking for a password. The first guy to reply said "If your going to install a f***ing server you better know what the **** your doing, and if you dont know how to fix your Apache problem then your running a major security risk, go ****ing uninstall it." .

He lached out on me but yet he never gave me a solution ... its completely different here, you ask a question (stupid or advanced) and you will get a pleasant reply -- thats something I too love about the forums, its friendly. As others have pointed out: it seems to me Archers are more mature.

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raul_nds · 2007-07-02 07:31:06

Even the wiki page on Arch .vs. The Other ir really sincere and neutral , so I guess that reflects the way users think.

Susu · 2007-07-02 17:11:25

The Arch users (and maintainers as well) follow the KISS principle - as does the distro. Sometimes they're a bit too serious, if you ask me, but they don't bother about what distro someone may use and they don't want to point you to "the one and only way" to administer your distro. They're friendly, they care about your problems with Arch and it's fun to hang around here. I guess "mature" is the right word to describe the Arch community.

finferflu · 2007-07-02 17:14:01

Actually I've also noticed how the developers are quite active on this forum, I've personally never seen such a thing. My experience is a bit limited, but this is amazing, I enjoy it

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ralph · 2007-07-05 12:30:54

Sounds good, finferflu.

STiAT · 2007-07-05 13:25:59

Judd, as i know, made Arch from scratch, inspired by Crux and Slackware a lot.

Basically, which distribution or desktop environment or what ever we use - we all got the same system. We're using linux, and all those distributions ship linux software.

Linux isn't a matter of the right choice, it's the matter of having the choice. The possibility of finding and running the distribution, environment and desktop applications which fit you best.

And for the developers .. that's why we're that slow ;D .. they always hang around on the baords and irc enjoying the great community ... now i understand the job of tomk always trying to get us to work again .

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finferflu · 2007-07-05 13:28:52

Exactly, you're right. The software we use is always the same, there is not much distro-specific software, apart from package managers or configuration tools, as far as I know.

veek · 2007-07-05 14:54:43

I completely agree with finferflu and everyone in this thread. The overall tone of dialogue on this forum and the attitudes of the posters are a major asset to Arch, and something I value a lot. I hope the community can preserve this atmosphere as Arch continues to grow.

Thanks to the forum leaders and members of the community for being civil and helpful, that's really what it boils down to doesn't it?

Cerebral · 2007-07-05 15:57:55

finferflu wrote:

What I particularly appreciate is the neutrality of most of the people around here... For example, during my first (and last) approach to Sidux, when I asked questions and they knew I was coming from Ubuntu, most of the replies where accompained by "Sidux is not Ubuntu" or "Debian is not Ubuntu"...

Well, that's because Arch is not Sidux.

finferflu wrote:

Actually I've also noticed how the developers are quite active on this forum, I've personally never seen such a thing. My experience is a bit limited, but this is amazing, I enjoy it

I love the community - wouldn't give it up for the world. I couldn't imagine building packages for you guys yet ignoring the forums.

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