Vote for Lenovo to use Arch.

Lazer · 2007-09-09 02:50:24

As you probably already know if you read Digg often, Lenovo is having a poll to figure which distrubtions they are going to try for adding to the market. It's being held here.(http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=98)

Go show your Archie some love.

rson451 · 2007-09-09 05:01:57

consider it done!

Allan · 2007-09-09 05:08:47

At this stage we only need 3933 more votes to catch Ubuntu who have 2/3 of all votes....

tardo · 2007-09-09 05:15:52

I'd rather let them use ubuntu. Sometimes... and only when really needed... ubuntu is the real OS-breaker. I can't dispute that fact. Let them use ubuntu, and when they're tired of it, they can come to Arch =]

Warren Watts · 2007-09-09 05:47:13

tardo wrote:

Let them use ubuntu, and when they're tired of it, they can come to Arch =]

It's funny you should say that... I just installed Arch yesterday as a replacement for Ubuntu on one of my PC's....

Don't get me wrong, I'm still using Ubuntu on my primary PC. My family loves Ubuntu and I don't think I could convince them to change. I had a hard enough time getting my wife to make the transition from Win2k to Ubuntu!

But as tardo suggested, I grew tired of Ubuntu's somewhat unnecessary overhead on one of my older slower systems, so I decided to give Arch a try.

Leigh · 2007-09-09 06:03:58

Ubuntu certainly seems to be a popular distro, especially with newcomers to Linux. I think Arch, for the most part, attracts those who have already experienced Linux at least a little bit, and wants to know what makes things tic. It wouldn't be my first choice to offer a windows user who wanted to try out Linux. But that's just me, and never the less I gave arch my vote.

Somehow, I think if arch was suddenly propelled into the limelight attracting hoards of users with no Linux knowledge, it might not be a good thing.

tardo · 2007-09-09 06:14:02

I voted for gentoo! Everyone should try that at least once. I bet you'll appreciate Arch even more!

hussam · 2007-09-09 07:15:25

Voted for ArchLinux.

I think preloading Linux with PCs isn't always a good idea. It only works if you preload PCs with a rolling release distribution. If you preload PCs with Fedora, what happens 12 months later when Redhat stops supporting that version of Fedora? Is the PC manufacturer supposed to inform every customer that their Operating System is no longer supported? At least with windows, you get a product that's supported for at least 6 years.

Preloading PCs with something like ArchLinux, Gentoo or 'Debian unstable' makes more sense because that's a product that's basically supported forever.

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Leigh · 2007-09-09 07:19:03

tardo wrote:

I voted for gentoo! Everyone should try that at least once. I bet you'll appreciate Arch even more!

I can totally relate

MRiGnS · 2007-09-09 07:36:26

hussam wrote:

Preloading PCs with something like ArchLinux, Gentoo or 'Debian unstable' makes more sense because that's a product that's basically supported forever.

Well, but you've to recognise the fact that canonical offers professional support for their OS which gentoo, or arch don't

Also, rolling releases are _impossible_ to support for a large company, there is so much which can go wrong..

If they build a laptop for feisty or gutsy they know it will work with this version.

onearm · 2007-09-09 07:47:56

Voted for Arch, but I believe that Ubuntu is a better suited choice for the "I'm a clueless Windows user who heard for the first time of something called linux" kind of person.

MRiGnS · 2007-09-09 07:57:10

I voted Ubuntu because I think it's just the easiest to support for lenovo, every other choice would harm peoples opinion on linux.

Sure, I would like to see Gentoo or Arch running on a laptop I buy, BUT

You can't sell gentoo to a homse user non-geek customer, he'll probably died before open office compiled.

Arch just lacks the great community (I mean quantity not particularly quality)

The Ubuntu community is just huge and you can find them everywhere, even their locos are huge.

The German Ubuntu loco already got more than four times as much registered users as this forum.

Just imagine stuff like "do you know linux? - no ; Do you know Ubuntu? - Of course!" it sounds stupid but it really happens.

shining · 2007-09-09 09:19:20

MRiGnS wrote:

I voted Ubuntu because I think it's just the easiest to support for lenovo, every other choice would harm peoples opinion on linux.
Sure, I would like to see Gentoo or Arch running on a laptop I buy, BUT
You can't sell gentoo to a homse user non-geek customer, he'll probably died before open office compiled.
Arch just lacks the great community (I mean quantity not particularly quality)
The Ubuntu community is just huge and you can find them everywhere, even their locos are huge.
The German Ubuntu loco already got more than four times as much registered users as this forum.

Just imagine stuff like "do you know linux? - no ; Do you know Ubuntu? - Of course!" it sounds stupid but it really happens.

I don't think it's only about the community, the enterprise and its commercial support behind is pretty important imo.

MRiGnS · 2007-09-09 09:25:51

shining wrote:

MRiGnS wrote:
I voted Ubuntu because I think it's just the easiest to support for lenovo, every other choice would harm peoples opinion on linux.
Sure, I would like to see Gentoo or Arch running on a laptop I buy, BUT
You can't sell gentoo to a homse user non-geek customer, he'll probably died before open office compiled.
Arch just lacks the great community (I mean quantity not particularly quality)
The Ubuntu community is just huge and you can find them everywhere, even their locos are huge.
The German Ubuntu loco already got more than four times as much registered users as this forum.

Just imagine stuff like "do you know linux? - no ; Do you know Ubuntu? - Of course!" it sounds stupid but it really happens.
I don't think it's only about the community, the enterprise and its commercial support behind is pretty important imo.

with this I meant the perspective of the common user, and yea you're right, the commercial support canonical offers for its product sure is one of the major pros, especially for resellers as they don't have to offer the support themselves.

dunc · 2007-09-09 14:27:54

I'm afraid I agree with tardo and the rest: I didn't vote for Arch. Arch is absolutely, indisputably, the best distro available for home users with a bit of knowledge, but it just isn't right for a major manufacturer to pre-install. Canonical, Red Hat, Novell or Mandriva can provide the sort of support they and their customers need, not to mention the fact that it's important from a marketing point of view (like it or not) to have a familiar name, and to the "outside world" right now, Ubuntu is Linux, to a large extent.

Just about everyone on this forum has a story about months or even years of distro-hopping before finding this one. It's more important to get people into the Linux fold with something that doesn't scare them than to push a particular distro that they might not be ready for yet - however good we know it is. They'll find out soon enough.

insane · 2007-09-09 14:49:59

I voted Ubuntu also. Arch is a very good distro with a great community support and all the other stuff that make us all stick in here. In the other hand is not newbie friendly and you need to do a bit of configuration to make it run. That means a big learning curve for newbies to computers and to nontechnical professionals that need something that works. Also there is always the chance updates to break something and that would be a support nightmare for the vendor and source of a lot of frustration for the users. So I believe Ubuntu and it's flavors are the best ways to introduce Linux to the masses.

Mardukas · 2007-09-09 16:03:30

That will never happen, because Lenovo will choose user-friendly dist for shure...
Altho I voted for Arch, because I'm a fanboi.

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Leigh · 2007-09-09 16:54:33

I'm just proud that Arch is even listed in that poll. It use to be Arch was pretty much unknown except for those that happened across it by chance. That wasn't all that long ago. Now we're sitting next to all the totally popular distros in a marketing poll. I think that's pretty cool in itself : )

It doesn't really matter what they choose. If it stays open source, that ensures it would probably be compatible with any decent linux distro.

Allan · 2007-09-09 23:59:25

Not to put a downer on your excitement, but there is a button to add another option to the poll which it looks like an Arch user has done.

veek · 2007-09-10 00:01:47

I have to go with Ubuntu also.

In the Arch FAQ on the wiki it says 'Arch is targeted at more-advanced Linux users, but some people feel "Arch is a good place to start".'

Arch is a good place to start for people that really want to learn more about how Linux works "under the hood." People that are plopped
down into Arch because it came preinstalled on a laptop may not fit into that category. Ubuntu makes a clear and purposeful effort to
be accessible to Linux newcomers, that's one of their strengths.

Plus once you've tried a few distributions you really appreciate the strengths of your later choices. That's why I value Arch so highly.

ruscook · 2007-09-10 10:07:55

Warren Watts wrote:

tardo wrote:
Let them use ubuntu, and when they're tired of it, they can come to Arch =]
It's funny you should say that... I just installed Arch yesterday as a replacement for Ubuntu on one of my PC's....
Don't get me wrong, I'm still using Ubuntu on my primary PC. My family loves Ubuntu and I don't think I could convince them to change. I had a hard enough time getting my wife to make the transition from Win2k to Ubuntu!
But as tardo suggested, I grew tired of Ubuntu's somewhat unnecessary overhead on one of my older slower systems, so I decided to give Arch a try.

Me three, I've just changed 4 of my 6 family PCs over from Ubuntu to Arch. My father has a 2.6GhZ 512MB system and runs Gnome and is very happy with how much more "zippy" or responsive Arch feels.

The 2 to do are a) my server and b) my shops dial up email PC. It's an old Pentium II with only 192MB ram. It's running Gnome on Feisty really well considering. It's used by my two totally computer illiterate staff so I won't change it to Arch until I'm sure I can get the dial up over serial 1 to work. The server will change over but because it runs a lot of apps that are setup slightly differently under Arch to Ubuntu (Apache, Squirrelmail, DNS, DHCP, postfix, fetchmail, rsync, and a few others), I'll take it slowly and probably not transfer this system until I have a few days up my sleeve

Russ

wuischke · 2007-09-10 10:31:11

I think arch would be a really bad choice for Lenovo. Just imagine a Linux beginner (who is NOT eager to read or learn a lot) in front of an Arch desktop. Even if it was reasonably well preconfigured, daily usage is too foreign for the common computer user.

Thus I would vote for Ubuntu as well. It is easy enough for my little brother to use and if he has a problem (e.g. DVD playback doesn't work) he is able to solve it by himself using google.

Oh, btw: I voted for "Anyone that refuses to carry binary-only drivers, so that all others will also benefit, as it will require documented hardware"

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Mandor · 2007-09-10 19:13:31

Hm, voted for quality drivers - no need to "support" any particular distro, imo.

kensai · 2007-09-10 22:01:22

tardo wrote:

I voted for gentoo! Everyone should try that at least once. I bet you'll appreciate Arch even more!

I voted for gentoo seriously, I bet you'll learn what a true OS is with it on your pc, and appreciate it more and more and despise all other binary distros for not giving the same freedom.

Taylor · 2007-09-11 03:15:03

I voted for Ubuntu...Arch isn't really for a beginner user, they have to get used to the command line. Ubuntu is user-friendly.

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