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#1 2004-05-26 16:59:53

Zym0tiC
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Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

Hey, I'm thinking to replace my slackware workstation to arch linux, that will make 2 arch pc's @ my room big_smile.
The only problem that I could imagine is that my Ati radeon 9200SE won't run in 3d mode. Because the drivers at ati.com are for 4.3 and lower.

How does 4.4 will handle that? I rather prefer x.org so if someone has some information for me.

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#2 2004-05-26 17:14:23

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Re: Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

what about the native driver? (not the one from the ati homepage) i have a ati firegl7800 and radeon works fine for me (at least for DINO and other scientific apps and tuxracer and bzflag)


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#3 2004-05-26 20:01:56

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Re: Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

I already tried that. Buth xwindow won't start only when I put xfree86 to vesa mode

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#4 2004-05-27 17:11:55

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Re: Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

Hi.
I have been trying commercial driver from xig.com, it really rocks when playing quake3.
Compared to ati drivers it runs like a dream, using 1400x1050 when running glxgear it gives med over 2000.0 fps :-)
(Dell D600, rage 9000)
Really worth the price if you need it badly..

A while ago I tried to get ati drivers running on xfree 4.4 but without success, maybe you can find info about it at rage3d.com, forum section-> linux

/xor

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#5 2004-05-27 19:29:24

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Re: Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

xor wrote:

Hi.
I have been trying commercial driver from xig.com, it really rocks when playing quake3.
Compared to ati drivers it runs like a dream, using 1400x1050 when running glxgear it gives med over 2000.0 fps :-)
(Dell D600, rage 9000)
Really worth the price if you need it badly..

A while ago I tried to get ati drivers running on xfree 4.4 but without success, maybe you can find info about it at rage3d.com, forum section-> linux

/xor

thanx I will check out the section @ rage3d.com. I'm not really sure about the commercial drivers. I ratter prefer free software smile

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#6 2004-05-27 20:35:16

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Re: Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

Hehe me too.
A nice thing with it, is that demo version is only running for 25 minutes then x is closed down = you can quit playing hehe..

/xor

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#7 2004-05-28 19:32:03

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Re: Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

The xig drivers only come in RPM format, so how did you install them in Arch? They also only support 2.4 kernels. So, what version of ARCH are you using and what Xserver was the base before xig drivers were added.


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#8 2004-05-28 20:39:03

xor
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Re: Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

Hi leejpar.
Well I did do it right away from the description from xig.
I'm running vanilla 2.6.6 kernel, xfree 4.3, Arch Linux 0.6 (Widget) "current"  and it does work smile
I do run xfree86 server when not playing any game, you do not have to change anything because Xaccel have it's own configfile, anyway I'm running AxxeleratedX in demomode so after 25 minutes it does quit....

If you give it a try, be aware of the part where they talking about deleting other installed files, move them to another location instead.
Fileversion does not match either so do just try to run it anyway.

Another thing, I did never manage to get "xsvctest" run okey, it did run 3 times ok but never stops and mess upp ascii's in console
After all thing is set up you may have to run "Xaccel" and then source your ".xinitrc" file, default tty is set to #8.
Tried to run ut2004 yesterday, setup is working but the game seems not to be working at all.
Had same problem when running quake3 without any gl drivers, really ugly and with lag..

/xor

README.non-rpm-install:

Installing the Summit Packages on non-RPM Linux systems.

  When installing Summit on Debian systems (or any unsupported system
  without RPM support), please follow these directions:

  NOTE, the '#' character below represents the root shell prompt. 

- First, create the 'graphics' group that xsvc will require:

  # groupadd graphics

- Next, make sure that you have a kernel src tree, that matches your
  currently running kernel, installed.

  If you have not built your kernel before, you will need to at least
  configure the kernel to match the configuration of your currently
  running kernel.  You *do not* need to compile or install the kernel.

  This can be done like so:

  # cd /usr/src/linux
  # make menuconfig

  Make sure that at least the following options match the kernel you
  are running:

  SMP, MTRR, and MODVERSIONS.

- Install the xsvc package.

  The xsvc package is also an RPM.  In order to install RPM's on these
  systems, typically one will use a utility to convert the RPM into a
  cpio archive, and then unpack that.  For example:

  # cd /tmp
  # rpm2cpio xsvc-3.0-47.i386.rpm >xsvc-3.0-47.cpio
  # cd /
  # cpio -idvum </tmp/xsvc-3.0-47.cpio
Then, you will need to manually compile xsvc. 

  # cd /usr/src/xig/xsvc
  # make clean
  # make
  # make install

  This will attempt to install xsvc for the kernel you are running.

  You may also need to arrange for xsvc to be loaded at system boot
  time, so it will be available when the server is started.  Doing a
  'make install' will usually accomplish this for you.

  There are a few things that could go wrong; if the kernel source
  tree for the current kernel is not installed, then xsvc will not
  compile and it will print an error message.  In this case, please
  unpackage the source for your kernel into the directory

    /usr/src/linux

  You should also compile the 'xsvctest' program and run it as follows:

    # make xsvctest
    # ./xsvctest

  Read the README.xsvc file for more information on building and
  testing xsvc.

- Next, unpack and install the Summit package.  Convert the RPM into a
  cpio archive, as described above for xsvc, and unpack the cpio
  archive with something like:

  # cd /
  # cpio -idvum </tmp/Summit_package.cpio

- For a 3D capable server (Gold and Platinum), remove any existing
  OpenGL libraries on your system and install the Summit OpenGL
  libraries.  In general you can do this by running the commands:

  # rm /usr/lib/libGL* /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL*
# rm /usr/lib/lib*Mesa* /usr/X11R6/lib/lib*Mesa*
  # rm /usr/include/GL/* /usr/X11R6/include/GL/*

  Also, you can usually run something like:

  # locate libGL
 
  and remove any that you find.

  Please be careful when running these commands; you could damage your
  system if you type them in wrong.

  A copy of the Summit OpenGL libraries and header files are stored in
  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/AcceleratedX/OpenGL

  Once you have the old GL libraries removed, then you can install the
  Summit OpenGL libraries and header files by running the commands:

  # cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/AcceleratedX/OpenGL
  # find . -depth -print |cpio -pdvum /
  # ldconfig

  To check and make sure everything is proper, run the following
  command, and check the output:

  # ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/xglinfo

  You should see output like so:

        libGLU.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 (0x40025000)
        libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x40097000)
        libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x400fd000)
        libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4010e000)
        libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x401c6000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x401e7000)
        libXda.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXda.so.1 (0x4030a000)
        libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40315000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
Check to make sure that the libGL listed is /usr/lib/libGL.so.1,
   libGLU is /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1, and that libXda is present (as in
   the example above).

   If these conditions are not met, then you are not using the correct
   GL libraries, and you will suffer in terms of performance and
   correctness, if your application will run at all. You will need to
   track down the ones being used and remove them. Repeat until your
   output is similiar to the above.

- If you are using the demo version of Summit, copy the demo license
  file as follows:

    # cp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/AcceleratedX/etc/Xlicense.demo /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/AcceleratedX/etc/Xlicense
    # chmod 644 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/AcceleratedX/etc/Xlicense

- Most software responsible for starting your Xserver (eg: startx,
  xinit, etc) will attempt to start the server from a variety of
  locations.  Please check the following links, delete, then
  recreate them so that they point to Xaccel, like so:

  # rm /usr/X11R6/bin/X
  # ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/Xaccel /usr/X11R6/bin/X

  # rm /var/X11R6/bin/X
  # ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/Xaccel /var/X11R6/bin/X

  # rm /etc/X11/X
  # ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/Xaccel /etc/X11/X

- Then run Xsetup and configure the settings, and you should be ready
  to go.

Xi Graphics, Inc.
$XiGId: README.non-rpm-install,v 1.2 2004/01/15 18:15:32 jon Exp $

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#9 2004-05-29 09:10:09

Zym0tiC
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Re: Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

Ati released a new version linux drivers and still no xfree 4.4 or x.org drivers sad

Don't know if it was smart to buy a ATI card for my linux pc  :x

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#10 2004-05-30 19:32:44

Neje
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Re: Ati radeon with x.org / xfree4.4

I read this in the slackware-current changelog (Slackware has now switched to X.org):

I also noticed that the ATI Radeon binary drivers designed for XFree86 4.3.0 do not work with XFree86 4.4.0, but do work with the X.Org release.

It might be relevant info.

P.S. Slackware's gone from http://www.xfree86.org/distro-support.html, but what is Arch doing there? I thought we were using a RC.

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