a good installer (configurator) for X please

mitcoes · 2007-10-11 09:53:29

I cannot configure my ATI X800 in Xorg.
Nit with fglrx (ATI), not with radeon(OSS).
I've read all the wiki, I have put the sample xorg.cfg, the Sabayon LiveCD one, and tune all of them step by step reading.
I would like an arch version with kde and or gnome plus compiz, with a really good installer as Sabayon one.
Perhaps any of you can port the installer to ARU.
Perhaps a Live CD or Live DVD iso with Kde and or Gnome can be made.
I'm in love with pacman, but the Xorg configuration for this distro is the worse I've tried lately.

Thanks for all that would help me (and other X0xxx owners) and perhaps some other card owners.

okraits · 2007-10-11 10:04:13

To say "i can't configure my ati in xorg" and to demand "create an installer" is the wrong way.

Give us an error message or tell us what the problem is but don't demand that arch should be like something else. Arch keeps it simple and basic, meaning it has no graphical or console-based utilities, it should be configured via files - and that's a good way. Graphical utilities do nothing else than to create a xorg.conf. The xorg configuration of Arch is not the worsest one - it is the standard one.

ise · 2007-10-11 10:34:41

That is the arch way. We don't provide configuration tools. All configuration files from the packages exists on your filesystem. Take a text editor and configure it. If you don't have the patience to configure your config-files manually, then you are wrong here.

Sorry for the hard words, they are not against you. We love that there are new users, who uses the distro, but we don't provide such tools for configuration. Just like described in the wiki-article "The Arch Way": http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_Way

Daniel

lessthanjake · 2007-10-11 11:36:44

This command always helps me out, just install your preferred driver (xf86-video-XXX) before you run it:

Xorg -configure

ramoneur · 2007-10-11 12:46:44

the arch way is the only way, who wouldnt want to have 110% full control of their system? although it often means a high learning curve for some things, when you know it, you know it.
being able to edit almost everything through text files is also extremely handy

im a pretty new user and have learned incredibly much the last months with arch. at first i said i learned more one week in front of arch then 1 year in front of debian, mepis and some other distros i tried out before arch, its so true. but you gotta have passion for what youre doing and be willing to learn.
have been using arch since may now, and i cant stop loving it for its simplicity, just the way i want an operating system to be, configurable into the very smallest thing.

if you dont like textfile editing, then maybe arch isnt for you thats the hard truth.

Last edited by ramoneur (2007-10-11 12:47:37)

KimTjik · 2007-10-11 16:00:16

It turns out that Arch is the only Linux system so far in which I've managed to get a xorg.0.log without any warnings or errors. The truth is that as long as I got a working desktop in previous systems I didn't fiddle or tune it any more. Arch might have a steeper learning curve, but so far I've only seen its benefits (if X doesn't work in some other "automatically-configurable" system it might be a lot harder to figure out how to solve it).

Fortunately you can pick and choose whatever distribution that fits your criteria; nothing wrong with that. However, what Arch concern I wish it never abandons its central idea of what KISS means. Good luck whatever you choose to do, but I would strongly recommend that you accept the challenge of doing the configuration manually in Arch.

Mikko777 · 2007-10-11 18:51:47

well X is the most crappiest configuration in linux system imho.

I personally deeply hate it, mostly 'cos i have ati card. So fglrx +aiglx +compiz doesnt work. open drivers + aiglx +compiz works but the performance aint that good. Then theres XGL which does work with ati and compiz but is whole lotta trouble.

Semi-good news is that if you install xorg from testing you dont need to do xorg.conf anymore but if the automatic settings aint good you then have to write whole xorg.conf again. ugh. Atleast its a step in right direction imho.

And GUI installers aint forbidden in arch, you could make a package for example the Xconfigurator shipping with latest ubuntu, although as stated before the gui installers dont fix the horror that is xorg.conf anyways ^^

lessthanjake · 2007-10-11 21:34:11

Mikko777 wrote:

I personally deeply hate it, mostly 'cos i have ati card. So fglrx +aiglx +compiz doesnt work. open drivers + aiglx +compiz works but the performance aint that good. Then theres XGL which does work with ati and compiz but is whole lotta trouble.

How can you hate Xorg because ATI is not making propper drivers ??

As long as Xorg works great with all free drivers, I think the Xorg theme have done a good job!

Mikko777 · 2007-10-11 21:45:22

lessthanjake wrote:

How can you hate Xorg because ATI is not making propper drivers ??

Well that just makes it worse, but mostly i "hate" it 'cos it misses "sane" defaults and its extremely important part of linux experience and i find it the most hard to configure and find information.

Like evdev, keyboard configuration, monitor settings, damn good i use ddc and dont need to make those horrible modelines anymore.

I still dont get how to get xv working on my ati? read somewhere that i need to disable opengl overlays to use xvideo etc.

So in short its lots of not noobfriendly work and atleast it could do is to try to work if you dont configure something properly... but I think its going in right direction (new xorg works on my lappy with no config file ^^)

finferflu · 2007-10-13 12:27:53

The configuration tool I have used is hwd (yes, I hate xorg.conf), so you can try with:

hwd -xa

and see whether it does any good. I also have an ATI card, but I was able to run Compiz + AIGLX with no problems.

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