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hi
my arch-linux freezes after a short time when it is left alone ... :-/
first only X crashes and i thought after some systemupdates this problem will be gone
when i leave home, with my pc running and for example with "gaim" in away mode, arch is always "froozen" when i come back.
i also thought that to deactivate xscreensver is the solution but it wasnt
last night i was very angry because i tried to convert a capture from a (i don´t know the english word "(jugend) - Freizeit" and babelfish.altavista.com told me it is: ) "youth spare time" (which sound not to be right in my ears :-) )
with very heavy filtering (sloowwww on my pc) into vcd format. so i wanted to let it run during the day and it has crashes too when i came back home.
ok i know this problem isn´t easy to solve without knowing my pc+my arch
if there is need for output of lspci, lsmod, pacman -Q , etc. let me know
greetings matto
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Try to look at the output of dmesg, and if you find any error messages, try to search for them on google, some help usually turns up then.
When I have experienced these kinds of problems, it has usually been hardware related. Of course, it could also have to do with the kernel drivers, either bad configuration, or that the drivers don't support your hardware correctly.
Not much help, but if you post your lspci and nasty looking entries in dmesg, maybe someone can tell you more
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lspci, lsmod, lsusb (if you have usbutils and any usb devices connected), ps fax, /etc/fstab, check dmesg for errors as well as all log files in /var/log. Install and run lsof (lists all open files in the system). Check the load and running processes in your system with top.
But for the begining I would start with memory test. Download and run for several hours this program http://www.memtest.org/ and/or http://www.memtest86.com (it's hard to say which is better now :-))
If your system freezes every time with hdd led turned on you could also check your hdd and power supply. Install and run smartmontools if your hdd and bios supports s.m.a.r.t. (it probably does). Check hdd usage with df. Check the size of your /var/tmp and /tmp. If the space is low run pacman -Scc to delete old packages from the cache.
Add acpi=off apm=off noapic to your grub/lilo kernel parameters. Reboot and try to run with these parameters for some time.
Finally explain what you mean by "freeze". Do you have to reboot to do anything in the system? Can't you kill your xsession?
That's all I can think of right now.
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Two more things that just came to my mind.
Gaim. When I was using it I remember that it was freezing from time to time when left alone for a long time but this did not freeze all my system. This is gaim problem as it's probably some bug in it or some library that gaim is using. If your gaim will freeze next time try to run xterm (or run it ealier and leave with gaim) and then run killall -9 gaim. This should kill all gaim processes and make your system usable. You could also run gaim from an xterm to see if there are any error messages when it freezes.
Filtering/converting large files. Check if your application is not using /tmp as temporary directory (if you are using tmpfs in your /etc/fstab for /tmp). If this is the case try to force your application to use /var/tmp or some other directory with plenty of space on your hard disk. I had a lot of problems with converting very large ogg files to mp3 until I realized that the converting program was using /tmp (tmpfs is usually limited to use half of your RAM). If you want to know more about /tmp and tmpfs - how it works, if you need it, etc. - search the forum.
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When things like this happen I first suspect either memory timing or video card problems. It is not too hard to trouble shoot, you can usually adjust the memory timings in bios. If it is not that, try swaping video cards if you have another one around.
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hi thank you all!
when i say "freeze", it is like frozen! i can´t do anything!!!! just turn off my pc :-(
what should is i do with lsof? sorry but i did not understand that. i installed it and now?
this also happens if i burn a cd with k3b. yesterday i started burning, went shopping for 20 minutes and when i came back,
my pc was frozen again.
and i did not try memtest by now
but maybe it could be my memory, because about one week, before i started with archi bought some new...
and i´ve never had problems like that in windows... maybe i should check if windows is chrashing too ...
ok here are (i hope all) the things which could help you a little bit
greetings matto
[matto@hansa log]$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133] (rev 02)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 AGP]
00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 22)
00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/B/686A/B PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 10)
00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 10)
00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 10)
00:07.4 SMBus: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 30)
00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 20)
00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)
00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
00:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation RIVA TNT2 Model 64 (rev 15)
[matto@hansa log]$ lsmod
Module Size Used by
ne2k_pci 8160 0
8390 9600 1 ne2k_pci
crc32 4352 1 8390
snd_via82xx 26020 1
snd_ac97_codec 68356 1 snd_via82xx
gameport 3968 1 snd_via82xx
snd_mpu401_uart 7040 1 snd_via82xx
snd_rawmidi 21540 1 snd_mpu401_uart
snd_seq_device 6920 1 snd_rawmidi
snd_pcm_oss 51880 0
snd_pcm 91780 2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm_oss
snd_page_alloc 9480 2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm
snd_timer 23556 1 snd_pcm
snd_mixer_oss 18304 2 snd_pcm_oss
snd 50276 9 snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mixer_oss
soundcore 8160 2 snd
rtc 11976 0
ntfs 119660 1
nls_cp437 5760 4
vfat 12928 4
fat 41632 1 vfat
[matto@hansa log]$ ps fax
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? S 0:00 init [5]
2 ? S 0:00 [migration/0]
3 ? SN 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
4 ? S< 0:00 [events/0]
5 ? S< 0:00 _ [khelper]
6 ? S< 0:00 _ [kblockd/0]
34 ? S 0:00 _ [pdflush]
35 ? S 0:00 _ [pdflush]
37 ? S< 0:00 _ [aio/0]
41 ? S< 0:00 _ [xfslogd/0]
42 ? S< 0:00 _ [xfsdatad/0]
180 ? S< 0:00 _ [kcryptd/0]
7 ? S 0:00 [khubd]
32 ? S 0:00 [kapmd]
36 ? S 0:00 [kswapd0]
38 ? S 0:00 [jfsIO]
39 ? S 0:00 [jfsCommit]
40 ? S 0:00 [jfsSync]
43 ? S 0:00 [xfsbufd]
175 ? S 0:00 [kseriod]
183 ? S 0:00 [kjournald]
304 ? Ss 0:00 /sbin/devfsd /dev
595 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/syslogd -m 0
607 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/klogd -c 4
618 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
659 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/crond
672 ? Ss 0:00 /opt/gnome/bin/gdm-binary
675 ? S 0:00 _ /opt/gnome/bin/gdm-binary
737 ? S 0:18 _ /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /opt/gnome/var/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
783 ? Ss 0:00 _ /bin/sh /opt/xfce4/etc/xfce4/xinitrc
797 ? S 0:00 _ /bin/sh /opt/xfce4/etc/xfce4/xinitrc
798 ? S 0:00 | _ xscreensaver -no-splash
811 ? S 0:02 _ xftaskbar4
812 ? S 0:00 _ xfdesktop
813 ? S 0:00 _ xfcalendar
815 ? S 0:05 _ /opt/xfce4/bin/xfce4-panel
696 tty1 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/1 linux
697 tty2 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/2 linux
698 tty3 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/3 linux
699 tty4 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/4 linux
700 tty5 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/5 linux
701 tty6 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/6 linux
802 ? Ss 0:00 xfce-mcs-manager
804 ? S 0:00 xfwm4 --daemon
810 ? S 0:00 /usr/share/ROX-Filer/Linux-ix86/ROX-Filer -p1
817 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /opt/mozilla-thunderbird/bin/thunderbird
820 ? S 0:00 _ /bin/sh /opt/mozilla-thunderbird/lib/thunderbird-0.7.1/run-mozilla.sh /opt/mozilla-thunderbird
825 ? S 0:16 _ /opt/mozilla-thunderbird/lib/thunderbird-0.7.1/thunderbird-bin
826 ? S 0:00 _ /opt/mozilla-thunderbird/lib/thunderbird-0.7.1/thunderbird-bin
827 ? S 0:00 _ /opt/mozilla-thunderbird/lib/thunderbird-0.7.1/thunderbird-bin
831 ? S 0:00 _ /opt/mozilla-thunderbird/lib/thunderbird-0.7.1/thunderbird-bin
842 ? S 0:00 _ /opt/mozilla-thunderbird/lib/thunderbird-0.7.1/thunderbird-bin
843 ? S 0:00 _ /bin/sh /opt/mozilla-firefox/bin/firefox /tmp/viewtopic.php
848 ? S 0:00 _ /bin/sh /opt/mozilla-firefox/lib/firefox-0.9.1/run-mozilla.sh /opt/mozilla
853 ? S 0:16 _ /opt/mozilla-firefox/lib/firefox-0.9.1/firefox-bin /tmp/viewtopic.php
854 ? S 0:00 _ /opt/mozilla-firefox/lib/firefox-0.9.1/firefox-bin /tmp/viewtopic.
855 ? S 0:00 _ /opt/mozilla-firefox/lib/firefox-0.9.1/firefox-bin /tmp/viewto
857 ? S 0:00 _ /opt/mozilla-firefox/lib/firefox-0.9.1/firefox-bin /tmp/viewto
829 ? S 0:00 /opt/gnome/libexec/gconfd-2 19
874 ? S 0:01 xterm -title Terminal
875 pts/0 Rs 0:00 _ bash
922 pts/0 R+ 0:00 _ ps fax
914 ? S 0:02 scite
#
# /etc/fstab: static file system information
#
# <file system> <dir> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
none /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0
none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0
sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0
usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0
/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cd1 iso9660 ro,user,noauto,unhide 0 0
/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/dvd udf ro,user,noauto,unhide 0 0
/dev/cdroms/cdrom1 /mnt/cd2 iso9660 ro,user,noauto,unhide 0 0
/dev/discs/disc0/part8 /mnt/mukku vfat defaults,umask=000 0 0
/dev/discs/disc0/part1 /mnt/win2000 ntfs defaults,umask=000 0 0
/dev/discs/disc1/part1 /mnt/G-muell vfat defaults,umask=000 0 0
/dev/discs/disc1/part2 /mnt/I vfat defaults,umask=000 0 0
/dev/discs/disc0/part5 /mnt/E-rip vfat defaults,umask=000 0 0
/dev/floppy/0 /mnt/fl vfat user,noauto,unhide 0 0
/dev/discs/disc0/part7 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/discs/disc0/part6 / ext3 defaults 0 1
[matto@hansa log]$ ls
XFree86.0.log Xorg.0.log auth.2 crond.1 errors hotplug kernel.3 mail.2 messages.2 samba
XFree86.0.log.old Xorg.0.log.old auth.3 crond.2 errors.1 kernel lastlog mail.3 messages.3 wtmp
XFree86.8.log auth btmp crond.3 errors.2 kernel.1 mail messages old wtmp.1
XFree86.8.log.old auth.1 crond cups errors.3 kernel.2 mail.1 messages.1 pacman.log xdm.log
i´ve found no errors in dmesg i think
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If it frozes the machine completly this looks like hardware problem.
Lsof: just run lsof and analyze it - it will show you what files are opened and what opened them. Just browse for "strange" things - I don't know how to better explain this :-)
Burning: check what temporary directory are you using. As I said before if it's using /tmp (which in your case is half of your memory) maybe it's just not enough. Change it to /var/tmp and try again.
and i did not try memtest by now
but maybe it could be my memory, because about one week, before i started with archi bought some new...
and i´ve never had problems like that in windows... maybe i should check if windows is chrashing too ...
Aha! then we definietly have got the suspect no 1!
You would be surprised how many times I had newly bought memory corrupted. Download, burn to cd (it's a very small iso - should be ok), reboot and run memtest (it should run automatically if you change it in bios to boot first from cd) - read memtest homepage for more info. And leave it for at least several hours (unless it will find a bug ealier). Don't be fooled by windows behavior. It's quite "normal" that windows seems to run fine with corrupted memory. Did you mix your new memory with old one? If so they can be incompatibile or you have to change some timing settings in bios. You could also try to remove new or old memory and try burning something to check which is corrupted/incompatibile.
Until you check the memory there is no sense to try other things...
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hi
ok, i checks memtest
with my old ram in 1st slot und new in 2nd, i caceld teset after ~13 minutes due to 12xxx errors :-)
with only my old ram in 1st slot no errors after 32 minutes , canceled
new ram in 1st slot , too . after 7 minutes about 160 errors, canceld again
so i think the new ram is not ok :-)
arch seems to run stable now i think (witth only my old ram)
thank you very much!
greetings matto
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I'm having 'freeze-ups' after leaving the system on all night, as well. I'm using latest Arch Current all up to date with Gnome/Xscreensaver. Dell Dimension Tower unit. Does anyone know the meaning of the following errors?:
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$ sudo cat /var/log/errors.log
<snip>
Jul 26 08:41:49 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:41:49 ro-1 gdm(pam_unix)[27450]: unrecognized option [service=system-auth]
Jul 26 08:41:54 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 88080 wanted 131064
Jul 26 08:41:54 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:42:03 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 88216 wanted 131064
Jul 26 08:42:03 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:42:03 ro-1 gdm(pam_unix)[27549]: unrecognized option [service=system-auth]
Jul 26 08:42:08 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 88080 wanted 131064
Jul 26 08:42:08 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:42:17 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 88216 wanted 131064
Jul 26 08:42:17 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:42:17 ro-1 gdm(pam_unix)[27643]: unrecognized option [service=system-auth]
Jul 26 08:42:22 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 88080 wanted 131064
Jul 26 08:42:22 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:42:31 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 88216 wanted 131064
Jul 26 08:42:31 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:42:31 ro-1 gdm(pam_unix)[27734]: unrecognized option [service=system-auth]
Jul 26 08:42:36 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 88080 wanted 131064
Jul 26 08:42:36 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:42:46 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 88216 wanted 131064
Jul 26 08:42:46 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:42:46 ro-1 gdm(pam_unix)[27814]: unrecognized option [service=system-auth]
Jul 26 08:42:51 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 88080 wanted 131064
Jul 26 08:42:51 ro-1 [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup
Jul 26 08:42:53 ro-1 gdm[1492]: The display server has been shut down about 6 times in the last 90 seconds, it is likely that something bad is going on. I will wait for 2 minutes before trying again on display :0.
Jul 26 08:43:36 ro-1 login(pam_unix)[1498]: bad username [;'l ]
Jul 26 08:43:53 ro-1 rpc.mountd: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting.
Jul 26 08:43:54 ro-1 rpc.statd[1402]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting.
Jul 26 08:44:44 ro-1 sshd[1467]: error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
Jul 26 08:44:49 ro-1 gdm(pam_unix)[1512]: unrecognized option [service=system-auth]
Jul 26 08:45:35 ro-1 gdm(pam_unix)[1512]: unrecognized option [service=system-auth]
Jul 26 08:45:35 ro-1 gdm(pam_unix)[1512]: unrecognized option [service=system-auth]
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2570 (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2572 (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d2 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d4 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d7 (rev 02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24de (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24dd (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB PCI Bridge (rev c2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d0 (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24db (rev 02)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d1 (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d3 (rev 02)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d5 (rev 02)
01:01.0 Modem: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 1080 (rev 04)
01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 1050 (rev 02)
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$ lsmod
Module Size Used by
i830 75956 2
ohci_hcd 20484 0
e100 32384 0
mii 4864 1 e100
snd_intel8x0 32556 2
snd_ac97_codec 68356 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_pcm 91780 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_timer 23556 1 snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 9480 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
gameport 3968 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_mpu401_uart 7040 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_rawmidi 21540 1 snd_mpu401_uart
snd_seq_device 6920 1 snd_rawmidi
snd 50276 11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
soundcore 8160 1 snd
hw_random 4884 0
evdev 7936 0
tsdev 6016 0
nls_cp437 5760 1
vfat 12928 1
fat 41632 1 vfat
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$
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Does Xscreensaver start when gdm is running?
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Does Xscreensaver start when gdm is running?
Hi Xentac,
Here is the output of 'pstree' after boot-up, but before GDM log-in:
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$ cat pstr
init-+-acpid
|-5*[agetty]
|-bash---pstree
|-crond
|-cupsd
|-events/0-+-aio/0
| |-kacpid
| |-kblockd/0
| |-kcryptd/0
| |-khelper
| |-2*[pdflush]
| |-reiserfs/0
| |-xfsdatad/0
| `-xfslogd/0
|-fam
|-gdm-binary---gdm-binary-+-X
| `-gdmgreeter
|-gpm
|-jfsCommit
|-jfsIO
|-jfsSync
|-khubd
|-kseriod
|-ksoftirqd/0
|-kswapd0
|-lockd
|-migration/0
|-8*[nfsd]
|-ntpd
|-portmap
|-rpc.mountd
|-rpc.statd
|-rpciod
|-sshd
|-syslog-ng
|-udevd
|-xfsbufd
`-xinetd
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$
Here's 'pstree' after login:
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$ pstree
init-+-acpid
|-5*[agetty]
|-bash
|-bonobo-activati
|-clock-applet
|-crond
|-cupsd
|-epiphany-bin-+-epiphany-bin---3*[epiphany-bin]
| `-netstat
|-events/0-+-aio/0
| |-kacpid
| |-kblockd/0
| |-kcryptd/0
| |-khelper
| |-2*[pdflush]
| |-reiserfs/0
| |-xfsdatad/0
| `-xfslogd/0
|-fam
|-gconfd-2
|-gdm-binary---gdm-binary-+-X
| `-gnome-session---ssh-agent
|-gnome-keyring-d
|-gnome-netstatus
|-gnome-panel
|-gnome-settings-
|-gnome-smproxy
|-gnome-terminal-+-bash---pstree
| |-gnome-pty-helpe
| `-gnome-terminal---gnome-terminal
|-gnome-vfs-daemo---gnome-vfs-daemo---gnome-vfs-daemo
|-gpm
|-gweather-applet---gweather-applet---2*[gweather-applet]
|-jfsCommit
|-jfsIO
|-jfsSync
|-khubd
|-kseriod
|-ksoftirqd/0
|-kswapd0
|-lockd
|-magicdev
|-mapping-daemon
|-metacity
|-migration/0
|-mixer_applet2
|-multiload-apple
|-nautilus---nautilus---3*[nautilus]
|-8*[nfsd]
|-notification-ar
|-ntpd
|-portmap
|-rpc.mountd
|-rpc.statd
|-rpciod
|-sshd
|-syslog-ng
|-udevd
|-wnck-applet
|-xfsbufd
|-xinetd
`-xscreensaver
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$
Here's my daemon line fron rc.conf:
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$ cat /etc/rc.conf |grep -ir daemon
# Daemons to start at boot-up (in this order)
# (prefix a daemon with a ! to disable it)
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng hotplug network netfs crond acpid cups gpm portmap fam nfslock nfsd ntpd samba sshd xinetd gdm)
[roberto@ro-1 roberto]$
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