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#1 2004-06-09 17:13:43

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Unix Engineer

I know this really doesn't have much to do with "linux" but it does in some ways.

Anywho, I resently (today) got a Unix System Administration position at a company in my home town. I was wonder how many of you have had experience with Solaris or other Unix variants?

They had me take a Solaris 8 quiz and apparently I did pretty well (with a little help from google). I have never touched Solaris before, or any Unix variant for that matter. I just went off what I know about linux. I realize alot of the syntax is the same but I'm not familar with programs specific to Solaris (eg. SEAM). I have never had the chance to mess with Unix or Solaris because it costs $.

Any suggestions on how to train myself?  :shock:

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#2 2004-06-09 17:53:21

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Re: Unix Engineer

I'm thinking Sun just released a free version of their OS for i386. Check out the sun site and see.
-Shawn

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#3 2004-06-09 18:13:46

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Re: Unix Engineer

afu wrote:

I'm thinking Sun just released a free version of their OS for i386. Check out the sun site and see.
-Shawn

Thanks! I'm downloading it now.  big_smile

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#4 2004-06-09 19:32:15

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Re: Unix Engineer

Let me know what you think. I have not tried it yet.
-Shawn

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#5 2004-06-09 21:19:53

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Re: Unix Engineer

afu wrote:

Let me know what you think. I have not tried it yet.
-Shawn

I'm installing it right, So far so good...
I will tell you what I think of the end result.  :shock:

Edit: Well, I got it installed (finally)... It's interesting indeed.  lol
Alot of older software on here. Trying to get the nic going...
It works though!  wink

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#6 2004-06-10 08:36:26

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Re: Unix Engineer

They're going to open source Solaris too.  big_smile

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#7 2004-06-10 09:11:18

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Re: Unix Engineer

solaris for x86 has notoriously bad support for software. not many packages are available for it from sun..

and, if their "open source" version of solaris is anything like the liscences that they put on the "sun java desktop", then no thanks for me.... talk about a terrible liscence!


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#8 2004-06-10 10:45:42

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Re: Unix Engineer

cactus wrote:

solaris for x86 has notoriously bad support for software. not many packages are available for it from sun..

no, but it can run any linux binary

(but why change from something that works (arch.current) to something that might work)


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#9 2004-06-10 10:50:09

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Re: Unix Engineer

just to be more context-related:

unix?

Slowly and surely the unix crept up on the Nintendo user ...

... my opinion: linux is the future of any unix/*nix based OS


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#10 2004-06-10 11:22:56

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Re: Unix Engineer

SEAM is apparently their implementation of Kerberos.

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#11 2004-06-10 17:20:34

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Re: Unix Engineer

Famavolat,
How's it working? Have you compiled anu open source yet? What do you think?
-Shawn

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#12 2004-06-10 17:41:11

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Re: Unix Engineer

afu wrote:

Famavolat,
How's it working? Have you compiled anu open source yet? What do you think?
-Shawn

Well, I would but I can't get my nic working yet. As soon as I get that going I will download some source and attempt to compile.  smile
Other then that it's pretty decent, nothing compaired to arch and newer linux distros.  :cry:

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#13 2004-06-10 19:11:42

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solaris for x86 is kinduv picky about hardware. good luck to you.
8)


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#14 2004-06-10 19:12:52

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Re: Unix Engineer

dp wrote:

... my opinion: linux is the future of any unix/*nix based OS

Not in my opinion. If this would be true, linux would get much too bloated. wink
The future of unix/*nix based OS's is GNU/Linux. Or even more specificly, just GNU, as it's own Hurd kernel seems really promising... if they just would put a bit more speed to the development..   smile

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#15 2004-06-10 22:01:00

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Re: Unix Engineer

dp wrote:

... my opinion: linux is the future of any unix/*nix based OS

Shhhhhhhh, dont talk about linux and unix at the same time.
Stinky Cash Operation may hear you.
Remember, Gnu's not Unix! wink
Edit: Nice pic dp, havn't seen any of those in Sweden yet.


arch + gentoo + initng + python = enlisy

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#16 2004-06-10 22:04:57

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Re: Unix Engineer

cactus wrote:

solaris for x86 is kinduv picky about hardware. good luck to you.
8)

Yea, it's kinda strange... Normally that nic just takes the tulip module. And on solaris most nics that can use tulip in linux use dnet in solaris. But for some odd reason I read that my nic takes another one called 'tu' which isn't supported because it conflicts with the native dnet driver.
WEEEEEEEE!  lol

Oh yea, I found out that I made a 86% on my Solaris 8 quiz that I took. Interesting considering I have never touched it before.  :idea:

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#17 2004-06-10 22:25:09

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Re: Unix Engineer

xerxes2 wrote:
dp wrote:

... my opinion: linux is the future of any unix/*nix based OS

Shhhhhhhh, dont talk about linux and unix at the same time.
Stinky Cash Operation may hear you.
Remember, Gnu's not Unix! wink

hmm ... exactly because of this, i think these "unopen" *nixes will die out --- the only thing such companies can offer is professional support and apps that are only distributed as binary

why would anyone want to buy a unix, when you can download 99% of it for free?

i'm living after this:

"I would rather spend 10 hours reading someone else's source code than
10 minutes listening to Musak waiting for technical support which isn't."
(By Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center)

xerxes2 wrote:

Edit: Nice pic dp, havn't seen any of those in Sweden yet.

thanx - maybe in about a month they will come - here, today it was 34°C and extermely humid - horrible weather for a city where you are supposed to go to lectures instead of go swimming or something that has to do more with water :-)


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#18 2004-06-10 22:25:47

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Re: Unix Engineer

Nice done famavolat.
You are a smart guy, running a cool website even if there is not so many active posters! wink
The rednecks should be learning arch and the world would be a happy place. big_smile


arch + gentoo + initng + python = enlisy

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#19 2004-06-17 17:36:40

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Re: Unix Engineer

xerxes2 wrote:

Nice done famavolat.
You are a smart guy, running a cool website even if there is not so many active posters! wink
The rednecks should be learning arch and the world would be a happy place. big_smile

lol! Thanks!  lol

Yea, my website mainly consists of just friends chatting about random silly stuff.
Too bad most the time it's just a waste considering I get the hosting for free.  wink

Darn rednecks!!! Get me outta here!!!  :cry:

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#20 2004-07-16 02:38:36

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Re: Unix Engineer

As in update to my job position... I'm now in Boston, MA. The company I was hired on bought hosting.com and flew me up here to be a unix/linux admin. Keep in mind this was only after a week of working there. lol  :shock:

I'm learning alot about solaris, mostly the fact that it's not much different then linux or freebsd. I like it in some aspects. I probably just like Sun's hardware actually. Which brings me to my next question, do you think there would be a way to run arch on a sparc machine? I think that would be great if you could. I know it would take alot of work. Probably recompiling all software and kernel for sparc.

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#21 2004-07-16 20:29:18

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Sweet! Best of luck.
Arch on Spark? Maybe someday - not to soon I bet!
-Shawn

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#22 2004-07-16 23:46:57

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I said you were smart, didn't I?
Don't burn all your money at Cheers now. big_smile  big_smile


arch + gentoo + initng + python = enlisy

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#23 2004-08-06 04:28:39

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Re: Unix Engineer

xerxes2 wrote:

I said you were smart, didn't I?
Don't burn all your money at Cheers now. big_smile  big_smile

LOL, sorry for the late reply. I'm back at home now... I actually drove by the cheers place. The one they use to model the set or whatever. Boston is an interesting place. I'm glad to be back at home now and using arch on my home pc. My 650mhz laptop got too much use the last month.  sad

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#24 2004-08-07 07:20:41

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I think solaris isn't so popular, but the question is:"Why should I use solaris?". Most applications sun developed aren't useful. For example java: Java is a VM wich interprets a special bytecode. Java isn't special - it's slow, uncomfortable and ugly. Interpreter languages like python are faster, smaller and more expandable. Why to use Java instead? It's the same with solaris, it's just a other unix clone.

Fox

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#25 2004-08-07 09:27:17

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solaris isn't a unix clone. It's an operating system conforming to the UNIX standard of the Open Group...
http://www.opengroup.org/

It has a history associate with it that you can read about by searching google.
Originally called SUNos, and then renamed solaris for marketing...ack..dont ask me to try to recall what version is which... roll
this might be helpful for those adventurous among us: http://www.grokline.net/

or this: http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#08
havent checked the above chart for accuracy, as far as i am able, but you get the idea..

what is solaris good for?
well, it is a mature os, well supported, if you can afford it, and developed to run on some very well designed and implemented hardware...
think hot swappable cpu's and memory....good stuff

I haven't really used it much, and honestly don't see it's place in the future being very bright. I think eventually the BSD's and Linux will win out over the proprietarily developed unicies (is that a word? lol)
Big companies will just start providing enterprise level support for a version of linux that they maintain internally (think Novell and their own SUSE distro)...

my 2 million cents


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