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Gullible Jones

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CAOS linux

The good: it's light and fast as advertised - boots only a little slower than Arch, and no less responsive, in spite of the lack of optimization.

The bad: the desktop version appears to be abandoned, in favor of the server/workstation oriented "NSA" version... Which doesn't have YUM by default, making configuration a pain in the ass.

The ugly...

[proteus@skylark ~]$ lsmod
bash: lsmod: command not found

Oh man.

arew264

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From: Friendswood, Texas, US

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Re: CAOS linux

I know that Ubuntu restricts command like `lsmod` to be runnable only by root, even sudo doesn't work. You have to use `su` although `sudo bash` might do the trick.
If it isn't there at all... someone screwed up.

Last edited by arew264 (2008-08-17 16:52:29)

Army

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Re: CAOS linux

Seems to be really CHAOS

Gullible Jones

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Re: CAOS linux

[root@skylark proteus]# lsmod
bash: lsmod: command not found

Damn it.

Where oh where can I find a fast, light, RPM-based distro that doesn't suck?

Last edited by Gullible Jones (2008-08-17 17:17:55)

josomebody

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Re: CAOS linux

[root@skylark proteus]# lsmod
bash: lsmod: command not found

Damn it.

RPM-based distro && doesn't suck?

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Just my opinion here.

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Szycha

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From: Poland, WLKP

Registered: 2008-07-03

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Re: CAOS linux

Pld ?

timetrap

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Re: CAOS linux

CENT os sucks? Many people swear by it. http://centos.org/

Have you tried Scientific Linux? https://www.scientificlinux.org/

As a bonus you can use spacewalk with both. http://www.redhat.com/spacewalk/

But I have already found the best rpm based distro . . . Arch with a little pacman -S rpmextract

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Gullible Jones

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Re: CAOS linux

Pld ?

Thank you!

lldmer

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Re: CAOS linux

[root@skylark proteus]# lsmod
bash: lsmod: command not found

Damn it.

In some distro's I tried I had to type the full /sbin/lsmod or whatever. Did you check $PATH?

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iphitus

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Re: CAOS linux

Yeah... as said above

Many distros don't include /usr/sbin and /sbin in patch. Trivial to fix, I would hardly call it 'ugly'.

Hide

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Re: CAOS linux

@Gullible
Have you tried PLD? Seems nice but outdated

loyx

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Re: CAOS linux

[root@skylark proteus]# lsmod
bash: lsmod: command not found

Damn it.

Where oh where can I find a fast, light, RPM-based distro that doesn't suck?

RPM-based distros are inherently sucky, why would you want to even use RPM? hahah

robmaloy

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From: Germany

Registered: 2008-05-14

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Re: CAOS linux

[root@skylark proteus]# lsmod
bash: lsmod: command not found

Damn it.

Where oh where can I find a fast, light, RPM-based distro that doesn't suck?

RPM-based distros are inherently sucky, why would you want to even use RPM? hahah

maybe to gain experience in handling RPM stuff, IT professionals should know something about it since many companies use redhat

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whargoul

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Re: CAOS linux

I know that Ubuntu restricts command like `lsmod` to be runnable only by root, even sudo doesn't work. You have to use `su` although `sudo bash` might do the trick.

What? I just tried Ubuntu the other day, and I had no problem running lsmod as a normal user.

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Gullible Jones

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Re: CAOS linux

Trying out Debian (lenny) now. Interesting, it is actually quite fast - feels faster than Arch, even, and boots in the same time. However, the lack of proprietary packages, let alone software that makes it possible to use proprietary packages (read: ndiswrapper) makes the distro an amazing pain in the ass.

(-O2 is default for Arch, isn't it? I wonder if that slows application startup.)

Asgaroth

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From: Hesse, Germany

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Re: CAOS linux

Trying out Debian (lenny) now. Interesting, it is actually quite fast - feels faster than Arch, even, and boots in the same time. However, the lack of proprietary packages, let alone software that makes it possible to use proprietary packages (read: ndiswrapper) makes the distro an amazing pain in the ass.

I'm no debian expert, but did you add the non-free repo(and maybe contrib) in /etc/apt/sources.list(not sure whether ndiswrapper is in there though)?

karoshi

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Re: CAOS linux

you have to type in the full path

/usr/sbin/lsmod

?????????

btw, i prefer rpm over deb, if i had to choose....

Last edited by karoshi (2008-08-23 16:16:39)

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Gullible Jones

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Re: CAOS linux

Trying out Debian (lenny) now. Interesting, it is actually quite fast - feels faster than Arch, even, and boots in the same time. However, the lack of proprietary packages, let alone software that makes it possible to use proprietary packages (read: ndiswrapper) makes the distro an amazing pain in the ass.

I'm no debian expert, but did you add the non-free repo(and maybe contrib) in /etc/apt/sources.list(not sure whether ndiswrapper is in there though)?

You can, and ndiswrapper is in there, but it is only available as sources and must be compiled; and good luck with that, it tends to fail. Same with madwifi. And ath9k requires you to recompile the kernel. The Debian people are very, very anal about "free" software, to the point of giving their user base rather limited freedom.

Asgaroth

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Re: CAOS linux

You can, and ndiswrapper is in there, but it is only available as sources and must be compiled; and good luck with that, it tends to fail. Same with madwifi. And ath9k requires you to recompile the kernel. The Debian people are very, very anal about "free" software, to the point of giving their user base rather limited freedom.

Ah, I didn't know that. But fortunately that gives me yet another reason why Arch is better than Debian. Of course I prefer free software as long as there are comparable alternatives(I'm willing to accept a few minor disadvantages), but this preference ends when I can't use the hardware that I own(like graphic cards) correctly.

arew264

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Re: CAOS linux

I know that Ubuntu restricts command like `lsmod` to be runnable only by root, even sudo doesn't work. You have to use `su` although `sudo bash` might do the trick.

What? I just tried Ubuntu the other day, and I had no problem running lsmod as a normal user.

All I know is that several friends running (K)ubuntu have asked me for help configuring X and they couldn't run lsmod without a root shell. These were newbies to linux, so I doubt they changed the PATH.

iphitus

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From: Melbourne, Australia

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Re: CAOS linux

Trying out Debian (lenny) now. Interesting, it is actually quite fast - feels faster than Arch, even, and boots in the same time. However, the lack of proprietary packages, let alone software that makes it possible to use proprietary packages (read: ndiswrapper) makes the distro an amazing pain in the ass.

I'm no debian expert, but did you add the non-free repo(and maybe contrib) in /etc/apt/sources.list(not sure whether ndiswrapper is in there though)?

You can, and ndiswrapper is in there, but it is only available as sources and must be compiled; and good luck with that, it tends to fail. Same with madwifi. And ath9k requires you to recompile the kernel. The Debian people are very, very anal about "free" software, to the point of giving their user base rather limited freedom.

Back when I used debian there was a great third party non-free repo that had everything non-free I ever needed. So while the default distro is pretty locked up about freedom, find that repo and everything's great again.

Last edited by iphitus (2008-08-24 08:25:12)

moljac024

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Re: CAOS linux

I'm no debian expert, but did you add the non-free repo(and maybe contrib) in /etc/apt/sources.list(not sure whether ndiswrapper is in there though)?

You can, and ndiswrapper is in there, but it is only available as sources and must be compiled; and good luck with that, it tends to fail. Same with madwifi. And ath9k requires you to recompile the kernel. The Debian people are very, very anal about "free" software, to the point of giving their user base rather limited freedom.

Back when I used debian there was a great third party non-free repo that had everything non-free I ever needed. So while the default distro is pretty locked up about freedom, find that repo and everything's great again.

The quest for holy grail of repos!

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Gullible Jones

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Re: CAOS linux

FWIW, that repository is at www.debian-multimedia.org. Groovy.

(It's kind of sluggish... but worth it.)

Last edited by Gullible Jones (2008-08-28 19:33:34)