Google Chrome

May-C · 2008-09-04 19:44:28

kensai wrote:

May-C wrote:
Wow,wow,wow calm down... As you can see I used the term AFAIK... So no reason to overreact.
[...]
If you would read AND understand it you could realise that it is not possible to compile the complete browser because you can't compile all modules. But if all modules would compile you would have a Browser... A browser called chrome...
You do understand that in writing there is no possible way to know if I'm overreacting right?
And, my point still proven right, I said there is now way to get chrome to compile on Linux yet.
So, please, stop arguing.

Even in writing you have some kind of tone or footstep in it... So yes I really can see if you are overreacting! And you were saying chromium != chrome what is just wrong. I did never say it is possible to build...

Mandor · 2008-09-04 20:09:01

When I read 'beta' above, it just came to my mind about how long Google products stay in beta - several years, usually

wonder · 2008-09-04 20:14:50

image of chrome for linux:

http://atoker.com/tmp/WebKitGtkSkia-2.png

X/ax · 2008-09-04 20:26:46

What does that mean, that chromium is compilable, or not?

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Cerebral · 2008-09-04 20:50:07

kensai, May-C, if you want to keep bickering back and forth, take it off the forums. Your posts are completely off-topic.

Xyne · 2008-09-04 21:34:54

Does anyone else worry about the Big Brother data collection that this will bring? There's already been some controversy with the EULA: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 … ge-it.html

I'm sure Chrome will bring innovation, but Google is a direct threat to privacy in general. The whole "Google is your friend" spiel has worked far too well.

kensai · 2008-09-04 22:48:13

Cerebral wrote:

kensai, May-C, if you want to keep bickering back and forth, take it off the forums. Your posts are completely off-topic.

Hah, I should be banned, don't you think? I'm really getting tired of all these.

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I ran it for a bit, but have not found a reason to switch to it. I hope when it comes out of beta it becomes better.

Sp4rkR4t · 2008-09-04 22:52:38

Xyne wrote:

Does anyone else worry about the Big Brother data collection that this will bring? There's already been some controversy with the EULA: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 … ge-it.html
I'm sure Chrome will bring innovation, but Google is a direct threat to privacy in general. The whole "Google is your friend" spiel has worked far too well.

The whole EULA thing was a mistake on there part as they just handed out the normal EULA for there online services, they have already retroactively changed it and removed the offending clauses.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 … ge-it.html

haxit · 2008-09-04 22:54:04

Google Chrome Portable is out.
http://stadt-bremerhaven.de/2008/09/03/ … me-021510/

Xyne · 2008-09-05 00:11:43

Sp4rkR4t wrote:

Xyne wrote:
Does anyone else worry about the Big Brother data collection that this will bring? There's already been some controversy with the EULA: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 … ge-it.html
I'm sure Chrome will bring innovation, but Google is a direct threat to privacy in general. The whole "Google is your friend" spiel has worked far too well.
The whole EULA thing was a mistake on there part as they just handed out the normal EULA for there online services, they have already retroactively changed it and removed the offending clauses.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 … ge-it.html

Yeah, that's the article that I linked to (and you quoted). That doesn't suddenly change everything though (it just shows that they don't care about their users' legalities). The browser apparently tracks all websites that you type in at least (I just can't imagine that they're not storing URLs as they check them for completion). Plus if you followed Google's arguments concerning streetview and privacy, you would realize that the company actually doesn't really care about privacy.

Don't worry, I'm not on my way out the door with a big "the end is nigh" sign just yet, but I truly believe that we should be much more sceptical of companies like Google who end up in positions that enable them to collect so much information.

Sp4rkR4t · 2008-09-05 00:44:35

All of that search stuff you have the option to disable, plus IE, FF & opera are including that facility.

Lord Illidan · 2008-09-05 08:00:57

I'm wondering, could it be possible to hack the browser and direct search through scroogle? http://scroogle.org/

zenlord · 2008-09-05 13:50:37

Xyne wrote:

Don't worry, I'm not on my way out the door with a big "the end is nigh" sign just yet, but I truly believe that we should be much more sceptical of companies like Google who end up in positions that enable them to collect so much information.

One should be skeptical, you're right, but this is not the right moment (or the right service) to start being skeptical about Google.

As pointed out above:
1) the browser is opensource and it is released under a BSD-license.
2) the EULA-problem is corrected retro-actively

1) So that means you can take the code, remove all the potentially dangerous stuff and put your own name on it. Or you can just take the V8-javascript-engine and put it in your own browser. I don't think you should fear anything with this Google-product. And if you're paranoid about it, don't use it and sniff all your programs for weird behaviour, because Google isn't the only company that can make money out of user-submitted content...

2) That means you don't have to care about the first applied EULA. Saying that Google apparently doesn't care about the privacy of their users is silly. Do you have any idea what kind of claims one could file in the US? The damages-system in the US-judicial system can seriously hurt any company, however big it is. If at one point or another Google is found guilty of misusing privacy-information worldwide, I think you'll see claims that can be compared to the claims in the tobacco-industry several years ago.

And BTW: within the first 10 hours after it's release, Chrome already got 1% market share. This figure is probably debatable (sp?), but it really shows that:
- OR people trust Google with their privacy
- OR people don't care about their privacy

I tend to be in the first camp, but I'll be skeptical as always towards new software, beit Google-made or not.

Zl.

Lord Illidan · 2008-09-05 17:40:56

Google is one of the most recognised brand names in the world, perhaps even more than Microsoft. All they have to do to get the message out to people is put a link on their homepage. Boom...millions every day are exposed to the link, more than any ad in the New York Times.

Personally, I'd be more concerned about Streetview than Google Chrome.

Mountainjew · 2008-09-05 18:30:54

I tested Chrome and will be sticking to Firefox.

wirenik · 2008-09-05 21:00:05

Chrome is already my browser of choice on our family's Windows machine. Firefox is still awesome -- no way is Chrome going to 100% replace it yet -- but Chrome's UI is so slick and intuitive. It's insanely fast and the under-the-hood innovation is impressive. My grandma just got a new computer, and the first thing I did when I visited her was install Chrome. Really loving it. Can't wait for the Linux version.

(As an inconsequential extra, the drag & drop functionality is AMAZING. )

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X/ax · 2008-09-05 21:07:50

wirenik wrote:

Chrome is already my browser of choice on our family's Windows machine. Firefox is still awesome -- no way is Chrome going to 100% replace it yet -- but Chrome's UI is so slick and intuitive. It's insanely fast and the under-the-hood innovation is impressive. My grandma just got a new computer, and the first thing I did when I visited her was install Chrome. Really loving it. Can't wait for the Linux version.
(As an inconsequential extra, the drag & drop functionality is AMAZING. )

You're at this point actually risking a lot using chrome as your primary browser already...
And therefore, 1% of the internet users are already risking things.

//edit
No one still in for the coding team???

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Xyne · 2008-09-05 21:32:15

For the record, I am more concerned about what they do with search data and the implications of services like street view (their arguments in the case brought against street view were that people can no longer expect privacy, which is a good indication that they have little true regard for it internally at least, even if that was just an argumentative path for that case).

Most people use Windows, most people believe in some major religion, most Americans believe in creationism, etc. Numbers do not correspond with insight or validity and are a weak argument in such a case. Most people will not rip out the phone-home parts of Chrome or even disable them because they won't be aware of them.

Btw, Google has been implicated in helping turn over dissidents in China by complying with information requests, so the bit about "If at one point or another Google is found guilty of misusing privacy-information worldwide..." doesn't hold.

All in all, I'm not up at night worrying about what Google knows about me. I just think that people should be made aware of the current trends and those that are directing them. If they continue in the long run, we're all going to have most of what we do electronically tracked on large systems of coordinated databases which will be prone to abuse. History has already shown us that eventually such systems are misused.

/threadjacking

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X/ax · 2008-09-05 21:41:37

Google has no say in the matter. The fact that google is still allowed in china is actually something china already gave into google.
Sorry, but the china argument sucks, because in the end, china is communism, and in communism there's no right for free speech or knewledge what really happens, that simple.

wirenik · 2008-09-05 23:07:17

You're at this point actually risking a lot using chrome as your primary browser already...

That's true, but my using it as a primary browser doesn't amount to much, since I hardly ever use Windows.

LTSmash · 2008-09-06 01:11:07

Here, a real PKGBUILD for gchrome which installs to /opt, but still needs wine to run.
The other PKGBUILD i sent was utter shit, so please forgive me, this one is better i guess:

# Contributor: LTSmash <lord.ltsmash@gmail.com.com>
pkgname=google_chrome_win32-bin
pkgver=0.2BETA
pkgrel=2
pkgdesc="Google's Open Source Web browser for Win32 (Wine)"
arch=('i686')
url="www.google.com/chrome"
license=('GPL')
groups=()
depends=(wine)
makedepends=(winetricks p7zip)
#install="chrome.install"
source=(http://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/stadt-bremerhaven.de/Chrome/Portable_Google_Chrome_04.09.2008.exe)
md5sums=('47e0719dbb8efd5645e104c055860dce')

build() {

  cd $startdir

#Fixing deps
  
  winetricks riched30 riched20

#Extracting

  mkdir -p $startdir/src/chrome
  7za x -o$startdir/src/chrome $startdir/Portable_Google_Chrome_04.09.2008.exe || return 1

#Installing to /opt
  mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/opt/google/
  cp -R $startdir/src/chrome/Portable_Google_Chrome_04.09.2008 $startdir/pkg/opt/google/chrome || return 1

#Creating links
  chmod a+rx $startdir/pkg/opt/google/
  mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/usr/bin/
  touch $startdir/pkg/usr/bin/gchrome
  echo "wine /opt/google/chrome/ChromeLoader.exe" | tee $startdir/pkg/usr/bin/gchrome
  chmod +x $startdir/pkg/usr/bin/gchrome
}

ConnorBehan · 2008-09-07 03:53:34

X/ax wrote:

in communism there's no right for free speech or knewledge what really happens, that simple.

That's not due to communism itself, it's due to the fact that all dictators who have ever had enough power to enact communism have been corrupted by it. "From each according to ability, to each according to need" (which sounds alot like open source software) says nothing about civil liberties. In fact Karl Marx said that the only true communism would arise out of a revolution by working class citizens - i.e. the majority of people would vote to have the right to partake in an equitable market *added* to their list of rights.

Obviously none of the "communist" regimes have fulfilled that goal (North Vietnam before the Vietnam War was probably the closest) and maybe none ever will, but saying communism = censorship is just wrong.

[ontopic]
While we've been debating about whether or not we want to port Chrome to Linux, Alp Toker has already begun http://www.atoker.org/ so co-ordinating with what he's doing is probably the best idea.

Reploid · 2008-09-07 12:53:49

ConnorBehan wrote:

Obviously none of the "communist" regimes have fulfilled that goal (North Vietnam before the Vietnam War was probably the closest) and maybe none ever will, but saying communism = censorship is just wrong.

Not empirically (as you point out yourself)
Maybe not theoretically either. Maybe the system itself has to lead to centralization, censorship. Perhaps there are e.g game theoretic reasons behind it. You can change people's morals, but there will still be a dominant strategy in a game of two people playing prisoner's dilemma.

Dusty · 2008-09-07 13:47:27

Topic Closed. You guys know better than to start political discussions here.

Feel free to open a new topic on working on a chrome port, and direct the wine packagebuilds to Mr Green's chrome under wine thread.

Dusty

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