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#1 2008-10-14 12:11:40

jerryluc
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pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

I don't know if this is a question or info, so I went for the "safe option": newbie section.

Since I kernel updated(from 2.6.26 to 2.6.27) the module controlling the system beep has change name from pcspkr to snd_pcsp.

Is it more to it then a name change?

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#2 2008-10-14 12:19:16

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

Not particularly.  I had to disable both modules in my /etc/rc.conf

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#3 2008-10-14 12:23:14

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

actually i had to do that to,..

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#4 2008-10-14 13:59:59

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

There are now 2 modules controlling the pc speaker, you have to blacklist them both to get rid of it.


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#5 2008-10-14 14:03:09

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

Mr.Elendig wrote:

There are now 2 modules controlling the pc speaker, you have to blacklist them both to get rid of it.

And pretty soon there will be no way to disable it!
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#6 2008-10-14 14:03:53

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

I was wondering about this, but I can't find snd_pcsp. (doesn't show up in lsmod, doesn't respond to rmmod)

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#7 2008-10-14 14:04:01

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

seriously, there is ANYONE using the PC speaker? Should not be those two modules disabled by default?

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#8 2008-10-14 14:14:17

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

but, i'm absolutely sure that i only had to blacklist pcspkr before the kernel update. So there must have been a change somewhere.

I HATE that sound...

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#9 2008-10-14 14:39:26

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

jerryluc wrote:

I HATE that sound...

Me too, the speaker beep in linux is terrible, in freebsd it is a lot better (shorter and higher in pitch).


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#10 2008-10-14 16:02:56

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

ezzetabi wrote:

seriously, there is ANYONE using the PC speaker? Should not be those two modules disabled by default?

I would love to, but I can't get mine working.  pc speaker does have it's uses.


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#11 2008-10-14 17:22:45

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

AsA wrote:

Me too, the speaker beep in linux is terrible, in freebsd it is a lot better (shorter and higher in pitch).

You can control it via 'xset' when in X. Outside of X, I'm not too sure.

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#12 2008-10-14 20:00:22

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

Outside of X, setterm's blength and bfreq could probably make a more bearable beep.  I just always disable the speaker, so I've never messed around with them.


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#13 2008-10-14 20:45:21

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

in X, you can disable the beeping with:
xset b off


I have to rely on that since I'm using a ltsp at work and I can't access it's modules.

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#14 2008-10-14 23:05:30

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

Just thank god we still have the ability to disable that damned squackbox. I left openSUSE over the lack of such an option.


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#15 2008-10-15 00:11:30

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

ezzetabi wrote:

seriously, there is ANYONE using the PC speaker? Should not be those two modules disabled by default?

Yes, of course (one computer beeps at 15kHz, and the other at 200Hz, so I can tell them apart). I don't have the faintest idea why people hate it so much. Though to get beeps, I had to explicitly enable the module.

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#16 2008-10-15 15:18:49

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

So the wiki pages need some fixing.
I don't get it. Do both the pcspkr and snd_pcsp modules need to be disabled for everyone? Or just the snd_pcsp? Does this depend on hardware, sound system (alsa vs. oss) etc?
Edit: never mind: wiki pages are better than I thought!

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#17 2008-10-16 00:41:19

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

I hate pc speaker beeps with a passion. I'd definitely vote for disabling it by default, but maybe that's not in the spirit of the arch way. My iBook is running yellow dog linux, and that has an unusual pc speaker sound (since it's not a real pc speaker) - it's still pretty damn annoying.

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#18 2008-10-16 00:50:13

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

pauldonnelly wrote:

Yes, of course (one computer beeps at 15kHz, and the other at 200Hz, so I can tell them apart). I don't have the faintest idea why people hate it so much. Though to get beeps, I had to explicitly enable the module.

Hmmm. You have that pcspeaker hooked up to a subwoofer, or what? 15Hz is sub-sonic to a human being. wink

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#19 2008-10-16 03:05:40

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

Misfit138 wrote:
pauldonnelly wrote:

Yes, of course (one computer beeps at 15kHz, and the other at 200Hz, so I can tell them apart). I don't have the faintest idea why people hate it so much. Though to get beeps, I had to explicitly enable the module.

Hmmm. You have that pcspeaker hooked up to a subwoofer, or what? 15Hz is sub-sonic to a human being. wink

15kHz. roll Although with its timbre, 15Hz would probably come out as a very audible computer fart. Too bad 21Hz is the lowest setting.

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#20 2008-10-19 05:54:49

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

the kernel upgrade definitely changed it.  Luckily I found this thread.  The beep is intolerable.

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#21 2008-10-23 21:21:10

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

Indeed, first task after the last kernel update for every archer as it seems...


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#22 2008-10-24 13:03:17

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

I actually like it big_smile

Why? Because I dont usually have my amplifier on, and its pretty easy to select what you want to hear in kde4.
Like new mail / messages sounds play thru the speaker. Altho vimperator beep _HAD_ to be disabled in config, its just plain
intolerable.

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#23 2008-11-05 20:13:53

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

what's wrong with 'setterm -blength 0' ?. It seems easier than module-hunting...


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#24 2008-11-05 21:06:37

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

Since someone else resurrected this thread, I'll add on my two bits.  I was just fooling around with mpd and sonata on my laptop--used to use audacious--and the sound was horrid.  It sounded bad with audacious too and it didn't used to so I checked my alsamixer settings and low and behold my sound was set to use snd_pcsp.  What the ****??

I was using the ln -s /sbin/modprobe /lib/udev/load-modules.sh option to speed up udev from about 18 sec to 10 sec and was happy with that but obviously now I need to blacklist snd_pcsp so I've now reverted back to the slower udev so my music doesn't sound like crap.  Sometimes I hate change. tongue

Edit: big_smile After some searching, found that I can still use the speed-up udev method above as long as I do:

echo "blacklist snd_pcsp" >/etc/modprobe.d/snd_pcsp

which seems to work for this old laptop of mine, anyway.

Last edited by bgc1954 (2008-11-07 22:26:29)


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#25 2008-11-05 21:57:31

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Re: pcspkr -> snd_pcsp

Yeah PC Speaker should be disabled by default. Its very annoying and doesn't help me do anything faster, in fact it makes me angry by listening it BIP, BIP, BIP when I know what I'm doing.
I vote for disabled by default.


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