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#26 2008-11-07 13:13:45

ornitorrincos
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

whoa! arch now with built-in spyware
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#27 2008-11-07 13:19:02

SiC
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

ornitorrincos wrote:

whoa! arch now with built-in spyware
tongue

It's a conspiracy I tell ya tongue

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#28 2008-11-07 14:06:47

Murray_B
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

What about generating an ID for every computer/installation and send it with the other data? There could be a file like /etc/pkgstats with this ID. If the data is send a second time, the old data could be updated.

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#29 2008-11-07 14:40:19

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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

What about summarizing user info over time?  (pkgstats could be added in /etc/cron.monthly/.)  For example:

November 2008:

  v users of kde4
  w users of gnome
  x users of xfce4
  y users of Arch i686
  z users of Arch i686_64

December 2008:

  .9v users of kde4
  1.2w users of gnome
  1.5x users of xfce4
  1.1y users of Arch i686
  1.05z users of Arch i686_64

This would free the user from remembering to run pkgstats when he or she installs/removes influential packages.

Last edited by abstracity (2008-11-07 14:42:32)


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#30 2008-11-07 14:44:23

Pierre
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

I want to collect as few data as possible to do the job. And imho especially these days respecting privacy is important. As a result there will no unique id, registration or anything else. (even the ip is saved as a hash value)

pkgstats should be kept as simple as possible. That's the Arch way. :-)

I am currently working on calculating some stats out of this data. There are 476 submissions so far. That's great. Let's see if we could get >> 1000 to get a more accurate base.

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#31 2008-11-07 14:45:55

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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

i think is fine like is it now. only submit once because you don't install and remove packages every day/month. that is mine oppinion and is just what i do.

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#32 2008-11-07 14:57:10

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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Pierre wrote:

I want to collect as few data as possible to do the job. And imho especially these days respecting privacy is important. As a result there will no unique id, registration or anything else. (even the ip is saved as a hash value)

pkgstats should be kept as simple as possible. That's the Arch way. :-)

I am currently working on calculating some stats out of this data. There are 476 submissions so far. That's great. Let's see if we could get >> 1000 to get a more accurate base.

To everyone saying "we should add feature X" or "why don't you track stat Y", I think Pierre put it best here. He threw this thing together in under a day and we are already getting results. How much useful data is the old archstats project giving us? None, because it was too complicated and it had no maintainer (although it seems like a handful of people here should have stepped up to the task).

KISS.

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#33 2008-11-07 15:08:45

NoD
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

i ve just submited my desktop.
Good job. smile

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#34 2008-11-07 15:37:46

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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

toofishes wrote:
Pierre wrote:

I want to collect as few data as possible to do the job. And imho especially these days respecting privacy is important. As a result there will no unique id, registration or anything else. (even the ip is saved as a hash value)

pkgstats should be kept as simple as possible. That's the Arch way. :-)

I am currently working on calculating some stats out of this data. There are 476 submissions so far. That's great. Let's see if we could get >> 1000 to get a more accurate base.

To everyone saying "we should add feature X" or "why don't you track stat Y", I think Pierre put it best here. He threw this thing together in under a day and we are already getting results. How much useful data is the old archstats project giving us? None, because it was too complicated and it had no maintainer (although it seems like a handful of people here should have stepped up to the task).

KISS.

I'm phrakture, and I approved this message.

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#35 2008-11-07 16:29:19

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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

phrakture wrote:

I'm phrakture, and I approved this message.

HAHAHAHA!!! lol

You made my day!

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#36 2008-11-07 16:37:59

Laertes
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Just submitted my laptop

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#37 2008-11-07 20:17:51

Ilya
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Debian uses similar system: "Debian Popularity Contest". But Arch script is true KISS and we love Arch for that! big_smile

Last edited by Ilya (2008-11-07 20:20:19)

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#38 2008-11-07 21:06:13

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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Not a bad idea at all. Just curious, would the collective stats be published somewhere or only used by devs internally?

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#39 2008-11-07 21:17:22

Dusty
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

phrakture wrote:

I'm phrakture, and I approved this message.

This is just a cleverly disguised +1 post. Ban him!

Dusty

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#40 2008-11-07 21:21:21

Allan
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Dusty wrote:
phrakture wrote:

I'm phrakture, and I approved this message.

This is just a cleverly disguised +1 post. Ban him!

I agree.

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#41 2008-11-07 21:33:00

Arkane
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Allan wrote:
Dusty wrote:
phrakture wrote:

I'm phrakture, and I approved this message.

This is just a cleverly disguised +1 post. Ban him!

I agree.

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#42 2008-11-07 21:36:18

Pierre
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

lang2 wrote:

Not a bad idea at all. Just curious, would the collective stats be published somewhere or only used by devs internally?

There will be some stats published. ATM I am just collecting and playing with some sql quries. :-)

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#43 2008-11-07 22:09:10

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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

So am I right in adding this so /etc/cron.monthly ?
Or is this just somehthing that needs to be submitted once?


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#44 2008-11-07 22:26:00

Pierre
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Yes, I think monthly should be ok.

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#45 2008-11-07 22:46:13

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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Dusty wrote:
phrakture wrote:

I'm phrakture, and I approved this message.

This is just a cleverly disguised +1 post. Ban him!

Dusty

And people wonder why his postcount is so damn high.

Submitted server and laptop.  Desktop will have to wait a while.


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#46 2008-11-07 23:08:28

leonardof
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Debian's popularity contest sends periodics reports about which packages are installed. This is important! If I stop using Arch Linux next week, my pkgstats report can't have the same weight as the report of a current user.

Furthermore, the stats can give us an idea of the Arch Linux community size if the package is included in core and is mentioned in the main installation guide (in this case, its addition to the daemons list must be voluntary). Again, the statistics will be much more accurate if the reports are sent periodically.

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#47 2008-11-08 01:46:37

amb
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Pierre wrote:

Edit: This script only submits a list of installed packages and your architecture. In addition to this a hash of your IP is logged to ensure that not only one man is able to make the whole statistics useless.

Nice idea, specially if many people collaborate.

But maybe I misunderstood something, because if you're using IP as a mean to avoid many submissions of the same person, wouldn't it be ineffective for people with dynamic IP ?


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#48 2008-11-08 01:57:54

SiC
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

Pierre wrote:

I want to collect as few data as possible to do the job. And imho especially these days respecting privacy is important. As a result there will no unique id, registration or anything else. (even the ip is saved as a hash value)

pkgstats should be kept as simple as possible. That's the Arch way. :-)

I am currently working on calculating some stats out of this data. There are 476 submissions so far. That's great. Let's see if we could get >> 1000 to get a more accurate base.

Depending on what you want to get out it might be easy. I'm a statistician, and playing with numbers is what I do all day, I'd be quite happy to help on this smile

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#49 2008-11-08 02:08:05

Leigh
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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

what if I'm still experimenting and have two or three, or even 4, different apps that do the same thing, and I haven't decided on which I really want to keep. I often do this, and even though my system runs really smooth, it is a total mess with stuff I need to get rid of. Having over 500 GB's of hd space, streamlining has never been my highest priority. Besides that, I have lots of stuff that I tried out and thought (well maybe it'll come in handy one day), but to be more realistic, I'll never use it. I need to really weed through those apps.

I'm not sure that having statistics of my machine would be very useful, or perhaps do more harm than good?


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#50 2008-11-08 07:20:51

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Re: pkgstats: contribution was never that easy

I'm new to the community and still tinkering heavily with *box, figuring out what works for me. Should I run pkgstats now, or in a month when my packages are more static? Both?

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