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#1 2004-09-25 11:37:26

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Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

This topic is edited a split from:
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=6981

Dusty wrote:

Personally, I would rather have a highly personalized developer's CD than a generic one like this... I would want my own vimrc, wmi configs, etc. Perhaps a bare-bones devel CD with customization instructions would be helpful too?

I'm starting to get excited about this project. just imagining being able to develop at any workstation, yet in my own quirky environment...

Next thing you know, you'll be setting up Arch Morphix. wink

I thought using the name Arch Morphix but the word "morphix" has become related to Knoppix. Moreover we are not planning to change something into a wholly different form but transmute HD to live CD either from an exiting setup or minimum set of base packages. With this in mind, its now: "<b>Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter</b>".

First I thought to make it into developer kit run in CD but more convenient is to have a package. The package will provide a pre-installed system template, a setup tool and simple instructions for a user to develop any type of live CD (rescue, demo, dev ) with minimum effort.


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#2 2004-09-26 02:14:00

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

I suggest writing a script of some sort that allows you to "build" a custom devel CD iso by selecting what libraries and packages you want installed, and then it automatically downloads them and creates the ISO. Further, it should allow you to specify custom config files (like a .vimrc, httpd.conf, .bashrc, etc) so that the environment is exactly what you want.

i don't know how feasable this is, but it's an excellent idea.

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#3 2004-09-26 02:50:46

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hyp0luxa wrote:

i don't know how feasable this is, but it's an excellent idea.

It requires planning. I have setup one wiki document for suggestion and action:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ArchLiveTx

I am setting up one base and asking myself if these packages are enough. Vim (doc folder too big), man (16MB with dep. pkgs) and man-page I purposely didn't add... trying to keep the base small as possible.

Package list:
http://bliss-solutions.org/archlinux/ar … ckage.list


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#4 2004-09-27 15:46:59

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

rasat wrote:

Vim (doc folder too big)

I personally cannot develop without vim (well I could, maybe, if jEdit is installed but...), but I don't really need the help files. Would it be possible to create a streamlined PKGBUILD for vim that doesn't install the vim docs?

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#5 2004-09-27 17:04:22

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Dusty wrote:

Would it be possible to create a streamlined PKGBUILD for vim that doesn't install the vim docs?

To remove the vim doc is a good idea then I no lomger will feel bad when removed from AL-AMLUG Live CD and DLcd. smile .... vim, X and gostscript docs gave 50MB of free space.

<b>Version altx-0.1.tar.gz is ready for testing and uploaded</b>.... total 60MB.

This tarball contains most of Arch Linux base packages, MC (file manager) and pre-installed symlinks, folders and files for live CD development. The development is currently done manually with the help of "ArchLiveTx" wiki document. Later there will be a tool kit.

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ArchLiveTx


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#6 2004-10-03 07:04:29

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

I have edited the first post describing AlTx will not be a live CD but a package containing a pre-installed system template and tool kit. The tarball (altx-x.x.tar.gz) will be optional when developing a live CD from AL's base packages. Otherwise from an existing HD setup.


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#7 2004-10-03 16:04:16

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

Its so interesting... makes me want to buy a CD burner. wink

Do you think it would be possible to not include the packages in the 60MB download, but to create a script that gets them directly (first it could check in /var/cache/pacman for the packages, and if its not there, it could download them). This would save a lot of downloading for us dialup users. Since most of the packages will probably be installed on a user's normal Arch System anyway, it would conserve bandwidth.

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#8 2004-10-03 17:26:42

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Dusty wrote:

Do you think it would be possible to not include the packages in the 60MB download, ...

This what I had in mind and decided to keep the Arch base packages optional. The package will be quite small maybe 3 to 5 MB. Largest file and directory is /boot/vmlinuz26 and /lib/module/2.6.6.hwd. I could ship the kernel but it has an universal configure with all possible modules and configs. A live CD rerquires such kernel to work with any hardware.


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#9 2004-10-10 20:44:19

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

The altx package is ready (5.4MB). I have not yet upload until tested all options. Most likely in one or two days.

Altx is a CLI tool kit with step-by-step instruction (no dialog box).

altx <option>
MAIN MENU
To use Arch Live CD Tx to transmute an existing (current) or new setup to
live CD, run through the options in the order they are presented.

      tx -cc   (current within current)
      tx -cn   (current in new)
      tx -nn   (new within new)
      tx -nc   (new in current)
      tx -q    (query) - query for necessary packages.
      tx -rest (rest) - restart everything.

More information:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ArchLiveTx


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#10 2004-10-12 15:43:26

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

Package altx-0.1.pkg.tar.gz is ready. Download and run:
# pacman -A altx-0.1.pkg.tar.gz
http://arch.bliss-solutions.org/archlivetx/

To run altx:
tx <option> (or altx)

Download TxBase and TxKernal with altx when asked depending what option you are using.

<b>Note</b>: I am looking forward to make major changes by reducing the number of options to get it more automated. Version 0.1 gives the idea what's all about and open for new ideas and suggestion. Please, post here any errors you come across.

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ArchLiveTx


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#11 2004-10-13 10:38:51

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

I´m going to build a live-cd with ur toolkits.
I hope it will be successful!

I build a newer version of zisofstools.  If anybody want it. Here´s the PKGBUILD

#  2004/09/28 18:29:00
# Maintainer: legout <volker@lorrmann.de>
pkgname=zisofs-tools
pkgver=1.0.6
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc=" zisofs-tools contains the tools necessary to create such a compressed$
url="http://freshmeat.net/projects/zisofs-tools"
depends=('glibc')
pkgurl="http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/fs/zisofs"
source=($pkgurl/$pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz)


build() {
  cd $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make || return 1
  make INSTALLROOT=$startdir/pkg install
}

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#12 2004-10-13 19:39:52

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

could you clarify in the wiki part 3, section 1?

1. Open new terminal view, run MC, copy read-write files to /mnt/tx/.miniroot.
Edit directories and files in /mnt/tx/.miniroot/etc and /mnt/tx/var
DO NOT OVER WRITE... if you don't know what you are doing.
# mc  (select, edit and copy among /etc, /home and /var)

That is a bit vague. A little bit of a better description would be helpful.
Thanks.


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#13 2004-10-14 05:04:39

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cactus wrote:

could you clarify in the wiki part 3, section 1?

Few other users have also asking about it. I think this has to be explained in a separate CLI command because it requires the user to make a decision what files need to be in miniroot (requiring read-write permission) and which one can remain in /cdrom/system with read-only permission. The main idea here is to have less files as possible in miniroot to avoid large image (miniroot) loaded in RAM, at the same time having maximum free space in the same image.

The complete /root and /home/<user> have to be copied in miniroot. Among /etc and /var the user needs to know how to adjust.

Most likely what I will do for next altx version, is to automate this decision far as possible with one CLI command. For /var its quite easy to automate because the adjustment is required only if mysql is installed. Directory /etc has to be planned.... currently I also don't know requirements for all pacakges' /etc


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#14 2004-10-14 05:35:02

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

so only the files in /var and /etc that will need altering during runtime get moved to miniroot?

like, if I wanted to put an iptables startup script in /etc, and have the iptables save script and the startup script both be writable, I would put them in miniroot. But stuff that I won't need to change once it is bured on plastic can stay in /etc and /var?

Am I understanding this correctly?


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#15 2004-10-14 05:48:09

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

I forgot to mention, all directories in /cdrom/system/etc what are not in /.miniroot/etc, must have symlink e.g. cups/ --> /cdrom/system/etc/cups


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#16 2004-10-14 11:27:31

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

hi i tried to build my own live-cd with ur scripts.
i used the nn-options wink

There are two points i would see in a new release:

1. If someone want to use it´s own kernel. he must symlink his /lib/modules/kernelversion      to lib_tmp.
2. Why isn´t there a sbin_tmp directory??

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#17 2004-10-14 13:18:15

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Legout wrote:

1. If someone want to use it´s own kernel. he must symlink his /lib/modules/kernelversion      to lib_tmp.
2. Why isn´t there a sbin_tmp directory??

Good you bought up the first point, because symlink in lib_tmp/module/ is not needed. At the first stage of booting modules are not needed. Once it does /.minirot/lib_tmp symlink is renamed to ~/lib and already activated by the mounting of cdrom. Take a look at /miniroot/etc/rc.sysinit how it has been modified for live CD.

Your second point, the /.miniroot/init does the job of /sbin until cdrom is mounted.

One of the reasons why the miniroot looks a bit complicated because its designed to make the booting to have same appearance as native Arch Linux. The busybox in /.miniroot/bin_tmp is not Arch and only there because of its small size.  I think its time to remove it because tx -nn with TxBase gives a freespace of 7MB of total 11MB. Before it was only 3MB frespace. The main benefit using altex is to get the best utilization of miniroot (read-write) with less RAM space. A good example of a poor planning is DLcd (I made recently) with 6MB freespace with total 23MB.


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#18 2004-10-14 14:38:29

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

My Problem without a sbin_tmp, or the whole sbin-directory in .miniroot is, that i can´t execute anything out of sbin. So i can´t even boot-up.It complaines about agetty can´t execute it.
I tried to copy the whole sbin-directory to my miniroot. and that works for me

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#19 2004-10-14 15:14:15

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

If got another question.
Why aren´t there any symlinks to usr,opt,lib,bin in miniroot??

Have u ever tried ur scripts?? Because it can´t get my live-cd working with them. Maybe i´m to stupid.  wink

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#20 2004-10-14 16:42:26

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Legout wrote:

Have u ever tried ur scripts?? Because it can´t get my live-cd working with them. Maybe i´m to stupid.  wink

Don't blame yourselves, the instructions are not clear. I tested once and also one other user but we knew how to do it without instructions. I am here to improve the instructions with help you and others. Just keep up and complain. I am seeing the solution to questions and problems you face, is to automate the base setup in next altx version with one key command.

The agetty problem occures if by any chance a user over write the exiting rc.sysinit in /.miniroot/etc. Also its very important that all files are copied from /etc to /.miniroot/etc but not to over write any.

Why aren´t there any symlinks to usr,opt,lib,bin in miniroot?

The lib_tmp is renamed by rc.sysinit to /lib and also /bin_tmp to /bin. The /usr and /opt I forgot to add. For time being copy them from / (root).

On Sunday I am going to Mauritius then to Nairobi and back to Singapore on 28th, the next version of altx will be ready end of this month. Before I release I will test properly.


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#21 2004-10-14 16:54:01

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

OK. Thank you.

I thought I`m too stupid for altx wink .Because I build my own live-cd once with your wiki.

But for my first CD I used Squashfs. It´s compression is much better than the one of ziosfs. Also i think a live-cd with squashfs maybe a little bit faster than with zisofs.
I rebuild my kernel with squashfssupport and build mksquashfs. So if u are interested. i´ll send u the PKBUILD´s for them.

Have a nice time in Mauritius and Nairobi.

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#22 2004-10-14 17:30:01

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Legout wrote:

I rebuild my kernel with squashfssupport and build mksquashfs. So if u are interested. i´ll send u the PKBUILD´s for them.
Have a nice time in Mauritius and Nairobi.

I think it will be good to add in TxKernel squashfs support so users can have a choice of compressing system. The zisofs is easiest to use but slowest.
Either send a pm or use my e-mail:
rasat@bliss-solutions.org

Mauritius and Nairobi is my working place as a voluntary social worker, no holiday. I am resident in Kenya since 1995, office in Mauritius and Singapore.


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#23 2004-10-15 08:41:47

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

On the Homepage of squashfs I read taht it is necessary to patch a "clean" kernel. So I  removed all other patches that are standard in the normal Arch Linux Kernel.

I ´ve added a link to a script wich build a live-cd-image from an existing LFS. I tried to rewrite it for Arch Linux and squashfs (the script uses cloop), but after some trying i give up, becuase i´m not that fit in BASH. Maybe it will be usfull for you.

Here are the PKGBUILD´s

mksquashfs:

pkgname=mksquashfs
pkgver=2.0r2
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Tool to creat a read-only compressed Linux-filesystem"
url="http://squashfs.sourceforge.net"
depends=()
conflicts=()
backup=()
install=
source=(http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/squashfs/squashfs2.0-r2.tar.gz)
#md5sums=()

build() {
        cd $startdir/src/squashfs2.0r2/squashfs-tools
        make || return 1
        mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/usr/sbin
        cp mksquashfs $startdir/pkg/usr/sbin

}

Kernel with squashfs support:

###### Give the kernel a unique name (for multiple builds - can be empty)
_kerrev=sqsh

###### Choose generic name, version, and release. updated later for $_kerrev
pkgname=kernel26
pkgver=2.6.8.1
pkgrel=2
pkgdesc="Custom Linux Kernel and modules"
url="http://www.kernel.org"
depends=('module-init-tools')
###### Add a default config file and any patches to be applied to source array
source=("ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-$pkgver.tar.bz2" 
"http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/squashfs/squashfs2.0-r2.tar.gz" 
"logo_linux_clut224.ppm")
###### Add md5 checksums here:
#md5sum=()

getvar() {
  old=$(cat Makefile | grep "^$1")
  echo $(echo ${old/"$1 ="/} | sed -e "s/[ ]*(.*)[ ]*/1/g")
  return 0
}

build() {
  cd $startdir/src/linux-$pkgver

  ###### apply patches here 
  patch -p1 -i ../squashfs2.0r2/linux-2.6.8.1/squashfs2.0-patch

  cp ../logo_linux_clut224.ppm drivers/video/logo/

#  #get rid of i in i686 in default config
#  carch=`echo $CARCH | sed 's|i||'`
#  cat ../config | sed "s|#CARCH#|$carch|g" >./.config

  ###### Choose one of the following configuration types
  ###### Use first option for config in source array
  #yes "" | make config
  #make oldconfig || return 1
  #make menuconfig
  make xconfig
  #make gconfig

  ##### No user changes below here
  # save the configuration with today's date
  cp ./.config ../../NEWCONFIG-$(date +%b%d)

  # set EXTRAVERSION to create unique /lib/modules/ subdirectories
  _ker_extraversion=$(getvar "EXTRAVERSION")

  # update EXTRAVERSION in the Makefile by adding our _kerrev
  _oldline=$(cat Makefile | grep "^EXTRAVERSION")
  if [ $_kerrev != "" ]; then
   _ker_extraversion="$_ker_extraversion-$_kerrev"
   cat Makefile | sed "s|$_oldline|EXTRAVERSION = $_ker_extraversion|" > tmpMake
   mv tmpMake Makefile
  fi

  _kerrev=$_ker_extraversion
  kerver=$(getvar "VERSION").$(getvar "PATCHLEVEL").$(getvar "SUBLEVEL")

  # update the package information from the kernel Makefile
  # (just in case the Makefile changed during a patch)
  pkgver=$kerver$(echo $_kerrev | sed -e 's/-/./g')
  pkgdesc="Custom Linux Kernel and modules version: $kerver revision: $_kerrev / package ver: $pkgver build: $pkgrel"

  # changing the package name
  # removing patches versions from the revision string
  _t=$(echo $_kerrev | sed -e "s/^..[0-9]*//g")
  # _t=$(echo $_t | sed -e "s/^-rc[0-9]?*//g")
  # _suf contains the suffix identifying the kernel (it has the versions removed from it)
  _suf=$(echo $_t | sed -e "s/[0-9]*-/-/g")
  pkgname=kernel26$_suf

  echo "Package name: $pkgname"
  echo "Package  ver: $pkgver"
  echo "Package desc: $pkgdesc"
  sleep 5

  make clean bzImage modules || return 1
  mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/{lib/modules,boot}
  make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=$startdir/pkg modules_install || return 1
  # create unique names in /boot/
  cp System.map $startdir/pkg/boot/System.map26$_suf
  cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage $startdir/pkg/boot/vmlinuz26$_suf

  install -D -m644 Makefile $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/Makefile
  install -D -m644 .config $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/.config
  install -D -m644 .config $startdir/pkg/boot/kconfig26$_suf
  mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/include
  mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/arch/i386/kernel
  for i in acpi asm-generic asm-i386 config linux math-emu net pcmcia scsi video; do
    cp -a include/$i $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/include/
  done
  # copy files necessary for later builds, like nvidia and vmware
  cp -a scripts $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/
  mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/.tmp_versions
  cp arch/i386/Makefile $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/arch/i386/
  cp arch/i386/kernel/asm-offsets.s $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/arch/i386/kernel/
  # copy in Kconfig files
  for i in `find . -name "Kconfig*"`; do
    mkdir -p $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/`echo $i | sed 's|/Kconfig.*||'`
    cp $i $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/$i
  done
  cd $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver/include && ln -s asm-i386 asm
  chown -R root.root $startdir/pkg/usr/src/linux-$kerver
  # create a unique subdirectory under /usr/src/
  cd $startdir/pkg/usr/src
  mv linux-$kerver linux-$kerver$_kerrev
  cd $startdir/pkg/lib/modules/$kerver$_kerrev && 
    (rm -f build; ln -sf /usr/src/linux-$kerver$_kerrev build)
}

And here´s the link.

http://livelfs.free.fr/download/5.1/lfs2livelfs.sh

I hope that will help you!


For questions you can e-mail me:
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#24 2004-10-15 17:33:24

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

Thanks.
I will try it end of this month.


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#25 2004-11-16 15:08:20

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Re: Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter (0.4) - ready!!

Version 0.2 is uploaded.

Lot of changes are made since 0.1 making it easier to execute CLI commands. Many commands are semi-automated allowing user to make choices on their own. To not miss the learning, syntax are displayed. It may look like errors, so I am not sure to include in next versions.

I was busy with hwd and I am traveling again on 21st. I was not able to complete all options. In this version, "new-within-new" is active and other options inactive. Download and check if altx goes in right direction.

Package altx-0.2.pkg.tar.gz.
Download and run:
# pacman -A altx-0.2.pkg.tar.gz
http://arch.bliss-solutions.org/archlivetx/

Note:
Requires txbase-0.3


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