[SOLVED] What happened to community/system/bashref?

peti · 2008-12-17 19:36:11

Hi,

a couple of days ago, I installed the package bashref 3.2.2 -- reference documentation for bash --, but now the package has disappered. I looked into the SVN repository to find whether there is an explanation, but unfortunately the files were deleted with an empty log message: http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/c … ideattic=0

Does anyone know what happened to the package? Why was it deleted?

Take care,
Peter

Last edited by peti (2008-12-18 22:19:44)

Snowman · 2008-12-18 04:39:14

Contact StefanHusmann. He's the one who removed it.

peti · 2008-12-18 18:21:29

Now, the idea is great, but unfortunately contacting Mr. Husmann is not particularly easy. Apparently, he doesn't have an account at this place. According to Google, he seems to a be member of the German forum, but his profile over there doesn't include an e-mail address. Theoretically, I could get an account there myself so that I can send him a message, but, frankly, that's all too awkward for my taste. I don't care that much. I have a copy of the PKGBUILD that I can use. That's good enough.

Snowman · 2008-12-18 20:52:47

yes he does. It's 'Stefan Husmann'

Xyne · 2008-12-18 21:27:38

Here's his account.

peti · 2008-12-18 22:18:16

I can't help wondering ... since you guys apparently know that Stefan has an account in here and you know the name of that account and you know how to contact him and all that ... why do you respond to me (twice), telling me to contact him instead of simply dropping him a line that he should take a look at this thread? Then Stefan could have just responded in here and everyone could have found out the whole story, which is, sorta, kinda, the purpose of this whole public forum thing. Also, that approach wouldn't have required quite as many iterations as we did now.

Whatever.

I have sent Stefan e-mail and I'll post anything I find out. I'll mark this thread resolved now, however, because the question is resolved as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks for helping me find the way,
Peter

ornitorrincos · 2008-12-18 22:25:41

In the future you can find here contact information:

- Developers: http://archlinux.org/developers/
- Trusted Users: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trusted_Users

peti · 2008-12-18 22:37:31

Thank you for those links. Next time, I'll know how to contact the author of a commit directly.

skottish · 2008-12-18 22:40:51

Hey peti,

Welcome to the forums.

You asked above why anyone didn't simply contact the author. What you'll find here is people trying to help you to help yourself. As you become more acquainted with Arch, you'll see more value in that.

Anyway, it's all good. Enjoy your stay.

peti · 2008-12-18 23:11:35

Hi Skottish,

thank you for the explanation. I look forward to growing more acquainted with Archlinux so that I can value being helped to help myself. By now, I have only 15 years of experience with NetBSD, Solaris, MacOS X, Irix, HP/UX, AIX, Gentoo, Debian, SUSE, Red Hat, and Nix, so I haven't been exposed to the notion of being able to help myself yet.

I have, however, been exposed to the phenomenon that newbies tend to be patronized by the established crowd because most people cannot imagine that someone could possibly be unaware of trivial facts that are obvious to them while not being an idiot at the same time. Typically, this gets better when people get more acquainted with the newbie and realize that lack of factual knowledge is not equivalent to an inability to think.

Now, the Archlinux community clearly doesn't benefit from meta-discussions such as the one this thread is turning into, so please let me help the Archlinux community to help itself avoid this kind of confusion: Version control systems such as SVN generally give you the ability to attach a message to every change committed to the repository. This is called a commit message. The purpose is to document the intend of the change you're committing. Documenting the intend of a change is a bit of an extra effort, but the effort is very well worth it in projects that involve a great number of collaborators. You'll find that other software projects make extensive use of this feature and even go as far as establishing guidelines for commit messages that are enforced semi-automatically.

Take care,
Peter

Xyne · 2008-12-18 23:21:40

Also, I just did a user search to see how hard it would be to find the apparently elusive account. It was far simpler on my end to post a link to his account here than to email him a link to this thread and explain why he should check it.

As for unnecessary iterations, one could also ask how you managed to find his account on a German forum but not here.

*edit*
After having read the post just before this one, I have to say that I think you've taken the replies in this thread the wrong way. The Arch community, from what I've seen in the few months that I've been here, is generally very helpful and friendly, at least on the forum. I don't think that you've been patronized at any point in this thread. I'm sure that most people here are aware that being new to a distro has nothing to do with how much knowledge one has amassed elsewhere.

From your reply it seems that you feel a need to "prove" yourself.

*edit 2*
This took a wrong turn somewhere. I suggest that we just forget about it so that it doesn't leave any negative impressions.

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skottish · 2008-12-18 23:47:58

peti,

The easiest way to get ideas across to the developers is through the bug tracker. Things can get lost quickly in the forums. The only thing that you really need to know about the bug tracker is on your left is a drop-down list of different areas of Arch. Just select the most appropriate one and hit the switch button. From there file as a feature request. This will be sure to get to the people it should.

peti · 2008-12-19 00:25:30

Stefan explained the situation: the bashref package has been removed because reference documentation will henceforth be installed by the normal bash package, so there's no more need to have a separate one. Personally, I'm quite happy about this change.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help, I really appreciate it. It's sometimes hard for strangers to communicate efficiently over the Internet. All things considered, I feel we got the job done. ;-)

Take care,
Peter

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#1 2008-12-17 19:36:11

[SOLVED] What happened to community/system/bashref?

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