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#1 2008-12-28 03:31:06

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X.org Weirdness

Sometimes when I turn on my pc, it freezes up when it gets to KDM or when KDEMod3 has just started up. Anyone else experiencing something similar?

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#2 2008-12-28 03:35:52

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Re: X.org Weirdness

Do you get anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or Xorg.0.log.old after you restart X)?

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#3 2008-12-28 03:39:12

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Re: X.org Weirdness

I'd say this is interesting:

(II) evaluating device (Keyboard0)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Keyboard0" (type: KEYBOARD)
(II) evaluating device (PS/2 Mouse)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "PS/2 Mouse" (type: MOUSE)
(II) PS/2 Mouse: Setting mouse protocol to "ExplorerPS/2"
(II) PS/2 Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) config/hal: Adding input device ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse
(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed
(II) config/hal: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed
(II) config/hal: Adding input device Macintosh mouse button emulation
(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed

Should I attach the file?

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#4 2008-12-28 05:28:52

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Re: X.org Weirdness

You can't attach files here, but if it's not too big you could put it in a code block like you have there.

Some users may well be on dialup here, so you might like to consider whether a pastebin would be more appropriate.

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#5 2008-12-29 00:41:38

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Re: X.org Weirdness

Ah. Well, the bit I pasted is the most interesting to me, as I can't start x from the console when I'm a guest for some reason. I don't know if it's related to it though.

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#6 2008-12-29 20:28:03

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Re: X.org Weirdness

So...anyone got a clue?

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#7 2008-12-29 20:39:32

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Re: X.org Weirdness

wait...

I can't start x from the console when I'm a guest for some reason.

can start x as your normal user?  as root?

what are the permissions of the /dev nodes for those input devices?

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#8 2008-12-29 21:02:30

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Re: X.org Weirdness

When you're a guest? What's a guest?

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#9 2008-12-30 18:24:38

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Re: X.org Weirdness

Guest as in unprivileged user (sorry, must be still using Windows terminology since I created a guest account).

Anyway, the privileges for the nodes was -rw-r----- (ReadWrite, Read, Forbidden) and the owner is root:root.

And yes, I can start it from root but not any other users via console.

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#10 2008-12-30 19:50:24

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Re: X.org Weirdness

hmmmm... for comparison's sake, which /dev nodes are those, exactly?  go ahead and ls -al and paste the output.

also... those lines from your Xorg.0.log are interesting in that two generic input devices are successfully loaded, and then three less common ones fail.  do you have an xorg.conf?  can you post the input device sections?

also... how are you invoking X from the cli?

finally, am i right in the assuming from what you've said that you have a 'root' user and a 'guest' user?  that's *very* windows, and not really a great way to set-up a *nix box.  they'll work fine, but it's generally considered good practice to have a 'normal' user who can gain 'root' privileges by using sudo.  this doesn't work in the field, but best practice is *never* to log in as root.

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#11 2009-01-01 23:11:32

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Re: X.org Weirdness

total 4
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 .
drwxr-xr-x 20 root root        4096 2008-12-26 20:54 ..
drwxr-xr-x  5 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:31 .udev
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 X0R -> null
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          10 2009-01-01 18:29 adsp -> sound/adsp
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          12 2009-01-01 18:29 agpgart -> misc/agpgart
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          11 2009-01-01 18:29 audio -> sound/audio
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 block
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 bsg
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 bus
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 cd
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          21 2009-01-01 18:29 cdrom -> /dev/cd/cdrom-1:0:0:0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          21 2009-01-01 18:29 cdrom0 -> /dev/cd/cdrom-1:0:0:0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          21 2009-01-01 18:29 cdrom1 -> /dev/cd/cdrom-1:0:1:0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          20 2009-01-01 18:29 cdrw -> /dev/cd/cdrw-1:0:1:0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          20 2009-01-01 18:29 cdrw0 -> /dev/cd/cdrw-1:0:1:0
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 char
crw-------  1 root root      5,   1 2009-01-01 18:29 console
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          11 2009-01-01 10:29 core -> /proc/kcore
crw-rw----  1 root root     10,  63 2009-01-01 18:29 cpu_dma_latency
drwxr-xr-x  5 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 disk
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          13 2009-01-01 18:29 dmmidi1 -> sound/dmmidi1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           9 2009-01-01 18:29 dsp -> sound/dsp
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          19 2009-01-01 18:29 dvd -> /dev/cd/dvd-1:0:0:0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          19 2009-01-01 18:29 dvd0 -> /dev/cd/dvd-1:0:0:0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          19 2009-01-01 18:29 dvd1 -> /dev/cd/dvd-1:0:1:0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          13 2009-01-01 10:29 fd -> /proc/self/fd
crw-rw-rw-  1 root root      1,   7 2009-01-01 18:29 full
prw-------  1 root root           0 2009-01-01 10:29 initctl
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 input
crw-r-----  1 root kmem      1,   2 2009-01-01 18:29 kmem
crw-rw----  1 root root      1,  11 2009-01-01 18:29 kmsg
srw-rw-rw-  1 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 log
crw-rw----  1 root lp        6,   0 2009-01-01 18:29 lp0
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 mapper
crw-r-----  1 root kmem      1,   1 2009-01-01 18:29 mem
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          11 2009-01-01 18:29 midi1 -> sound/midi1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          14 2009-01-01 18:29 midiC1D0 -> sound/midiC1D0
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 misc
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          11 2009-01-01 18:29 mixer -> sound/mixer
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          12 2009-01-01 18:29 mixer1 -> sound/mixer1
crw-rw----  1 root root     10,  62 2009-01-01 18:29 network_latency
crw-rw----  1 root root     10,  61 2009-01-01 18:29 network_throughput
crw-rw-rw-  1 root root      1,   3 2009-01-01 10:29 null
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           3 2009-01-01 18:29 par0 -> lp0
crw-rw----  1 root lp       99,   0 2009-01-01 18:29 parport0
crw-r-----  1 root kmem      1,   4 2009-01-01 18:29 port
crw-------  1 root root    108,   0 2009-01-01 18:29 ppp
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          10 2009-01-01 18:29 psaux -> misc/psaux
crw-rw-rw-  1 root tty       5,   2 2009-01-01 18:32 ptmx
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 10:29 pts
crw-rw-rw-  1 root root      1,   8 2009-01-01 18:29 random
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          54 2009-01-01 18:29 root -> /dev/disk/by-uuid/71633223-f25e-425b-abbd-4d37f4006c71
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           9 2009-01-01 18:29 rtc -> misc/rtc0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           9 2009-01-01 18:29 rtc0 -> misc/rtc0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           3 2009-01-01 18:29 scd0 -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           3 2009-01-01 18:29 scd1 -> sr1
brw-rw----  1 root disk      8,   0 2009-01-01 18:29 sda
brw-rw----  1 root disk      8,   1 2009-01-01 18:29 sda1
brw-rw----  1 root disk      8,   2 2009-01-01 18:29 sda2
brw-rw----  1 root disk      8,   3 2009-01-01 18:29 sda3
brw-rw----  1 root disk      8,   4 2009-01-01 18:29 sda4
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          15 2009-01-01 18:29 sequencer -> sound/sequencer
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          16 2009-01-01 18:29 sequencer2 -> sound/sequencer2
crw-rw----  1 root disk     21,   0 2009-01-01 18:29 sg0
crw-rw----  1 root optical  21,   1 2009-01-01 18:29 sg1
crw-rw----  1 root optical  21,   2 2009-01-01 18:29 sg2
drwxrwxrwt  2 root root          40 2009-01-01 18:29 shm
crw-rw----  1 root root     10, 231 2009-01-01 18:29 snapshot
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 snd
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 sound
brw-rw----  1 root optical  11,   0 2009-01-01 18:29 sr0
brw-rw----  1 root optical  11,   1 2009-01-01 18:29 sr1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          15 2009-01-01 10:29 stderr -> /proc/self/fd/2
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          15 2009-01-01 10:29 stdin -> /proc/self/fd/0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          15 2009-01-01 10:29 stdout -> /proc/self/fd/1
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 tts
crw-rw-rw-  1 root tty       5,   0 2009-01-01 18:30 tty
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty0 -> vc/0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty1 -> vc/1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty10 -> vc/10
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty11 -> vc/11
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty12 -> vc/12
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty13 -> vc/13
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty14 -> vc/14
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty15 -> vc/15
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty16 -> vc/16
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty17 -> vc/17
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty18 -> vc/18
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty19 -> vc/19
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty2 -> vc/2
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty20 -> vc/20
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty21 -> vc/21
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty22 -> vc/22
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty23 -> vc/23
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty24 -> vc/24
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty25 -> vc/25
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty26 -> vc/26
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty27 -> vc/27
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty28 -> vc/28
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty29 -> vc/29
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty3 -> vc/3
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty30 -> vc/30
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty31 -> vc/31
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty32 -> vc/32
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty33 -> vc/33
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty34 -> vc/34
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty35 -> vc/35
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty36 -> vc/36
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty37 -> vc/37
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty38 -> vc/38
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty39 -> vc/39
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty4 -> vc/4
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty40 -> vc/40
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty41 -> vc/41
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty42 -> vc/42
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty43 -> vc/43
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty44 -> vc/44
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty45 -> vc/45
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty46 -> vc/46
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty47 -> vc/47
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty48 -> vc/48
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty49 -> vc/49
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty5 -> vc/5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty50 -> vc/50
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty51 -> vc/51
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty52 -> vc/52
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty53 -> vc/53
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty54 -> vc/54
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty55 -> vc/55
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty56 -> vc/56
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty57 -> vc/57
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty58 -> vc/58
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty59 -> vc/59
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty6 -> vc/6
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty60 -> vc/60
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty61 -> vc/61
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty62 -> vc/62
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 tty63 -> vc/63
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty7 -> vc/7
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty8 -> vc/8
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           4 2009-01-01 18:29 tty9 -> vc/9
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 ttyS0 -> tts/0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 ttyS1 -> tts/1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 ttyS2 -> tts/2
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           5 2009-01-01 18:29 ttyS3 -> tts/3
crw-rw-rw-  1 root root      1,   9 2009-01-01 18:29 urandom
crw-rw----  1 root root    189,   0 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev1.1
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   1 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev1.1_ep00
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   0 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev1.1_ep81
crw-rw----  1 root root    189, 128 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev2.1
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   3 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev2.1_ep00
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   2 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev2.1_ep81
crw-rw----  1 root root    189, 256 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev3.1
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   5 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev3.1_ep00
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   4 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev3.1_ep81
crw-rw----  1 root root    189, 384 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev4.1
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   7 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev4.1_ep00
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   6 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev4.1_ep81
crw-rw----  1 root root    189, 512 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev5.1
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   9 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev5.1_ep00
crw-rw----  1 root root    253,   8 2009-01-01 18:29 usbdev5.1_ep81
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 vc
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2009-01-01 18:29 vcc
crw-rw-rw-  1 root root      1,   5 2009-01-01 10:29 zero

Dev Nodes.

X.org input device section

Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier  "Keyboard0"
    Driver      "keyboard"
        Option      "CoreKeyboard"
    Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
    Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
    Option "XkbLayout" "us"
    Option "XkbVariant" ""
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier  "Serial Mouse"
    Driver      "mouse"
    Option      "Protocol" "Microsoft"
    Option      "Device" "/dev/ttyS0"
    Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
    Option      "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
    Option        "SendCoreEvents"  "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier  "PS/2 Mouse"
    Driver      "mouse"
    Option      "Protocol" "auto"
    Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
    Option      "Device" "/dev/psaux"
    Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
    Option      "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
    Option        "SendCoreEvents"  "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier      "USB Mouse"
        Driver          "mouse"
        Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
    Option        "SendCoreEvents"    "true"
        Option          "Protocol"              "IMPS/2"
        Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
        Option          "Buttons"               "5"
EndSection

Also, I actually have a completely limited guest account, my account that has sudo permissions only via the sudo command just in case I need to do anything with the system, and a root account.

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#12 2009-01-01 23:31:29

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Re: X.org Weirdness

He meant for you to ls -al the /dev folder (ls -al /dev)

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#13 2009-01-02 02:33:57

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Re: X.org Weirdness

Okay, fixed that.

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#14 2009-01-02 16:41:25

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Re: X.org Weirdness

I have ls- al'ed the /dev folder...now what?

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#15 2009-01-04 05:55:56

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Re: X.org Weirdness

Changed vc/ to tty. Seems to occur less often.

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#16 2009-01-04 22:50:56

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Re: X.org Weirdness

Now what do I do w/ the /dev folder?

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#17 2009-01-04 23:37:41

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Re: X.org Weirdness

what you should do at this point is start googling strings like:

"introduction unix permissions"

"x.org server configuration tutorial newbie"

remember, arch linux is a d.i.y. distro.  you need to make--and show--an effort to find your own solutions.  you also need to provide detailed, relevant information when asking for help.  you seem to find yourself frequently at a loss trying to troubleshoot your problems or determining what details (configuration files, error logs, directory listings, etc.) you should communicate.  this suggests that you may need to spend a lot of time familiarizing yourself with the general workings of gnu/linux before arch linux will be anything but a constant uphill battle for you.

please don't take that as a personal attack or anything like that.  arch linux is simply not designed to be a starting point for new gnu/linux users; you've got to be either fairly experienced or fairly self-sufficient to have a good time with arch.

finally, what i was trying to hint at was that one of the users trying to access those input devices doesn't have the proper permissions.  so, track down *where* exactly the breakage happens, and which user is trying to do what to which files.  then look at the permissions of those files and makes sure the user in question have the access they need.

and if you can't turn that suggestion into a course of action, i think you need to go back and do more homework.

[23:00:16]    dr_kludge | i want to invent an olfactory human-computer interface, integrate it into the web standards, then produce my own forked browser.
[23:00:32]    dr_kludge | can you guess what i'd call it?
[23:01:16]    dr_kludge | nosilla.
[23:01:32]    dr_kludge | i really should be going to bed.  i'm giggling madly about that.

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#18 2009-01-05 02:48:24

sharpie
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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Re: X.org Weirdness

Do you have hal running as a daemon?  Reason I ask is hal is supposed to handle input devices, it not being there can mess up your xorg.

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#19 2009-01-10 06:56:13

ShadowKyogre
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Re: X.org Weirdness

Yes it is.

For every problem, there is a solution that is:
Clean
Simple and most of all...wrong!
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