skype alternative for pure 64 bit install

venky80 · 2009-01-13 19:14:33

Now that we have flash, JRE,WINE for 64 bit I just have one more block which prevents me from going 64 bit.
Can someone suggest a skype alternative which works well?

Dheart · 2009-01-13 19:46:54

There is no alternative to skype. The protocol is closed sourse and that's why there's no open source implementation of it, no open source client for it, which could compile on x86_64. You could use other protocol (like ICQ) and if you can convert your friends to it - that's fine.

agapito · 2009-01-13 20:11:58

yaourt -S bin32-skype

venky80 · 2009-01-13 21:13:43

As I said an "alternative" I mean a voip software comparable to skype...yes it is closed source

Dheart wrote:

There is no alternative to skype. The protocol is closed sourse and that's why there's no open source implementation of it, no open source client for it, which could compile on x86_64. You could use other protocol (like ICQ) and if you can convert your friends to it - that's fine.

agapito · 2009-01-13 21:26:15

Ekiga, Wengophone...

skottish · 2009-01-14 15:31:01

agapito wrote:

yaourt -S bin32-skype

That's 32 bit Skype with a lot of 32 bit dependencies.

neowolf · 2009-01-15 05:40:13

skottish wrote:

agapito wrote:
yaourt -S bin32-skype
That's 32 bit Skype with a lot of 32 bit dependencies.

Quite true, but I imagine when the OP noted wine up there, he meant running a 32-bit wine with lots of 32-bit dependencies still.

venky80 · 2009-01-15 05:47:41

neowolf wrote:

skottish wrote:
agapito wrote:
yaourt -S bin32-skype
That's 32 bit Skype with a lot of 32 bit dependencies.
Quite true, but I imagine when the OP noted wine up there, he meant running a 32-bit wine with lots of 32-bit dependencies still.

Oh there is now pure 64 bit WINE?

skottish · 2009-01-15 05:51:40

neowolf wrote:

skottish wrote:
agapito wrote:
yaourt -S bin32-skype
That's 32 bit Skype with a lot of 32 bit dependencies.
Quite true, but I imagine when the OP noted wine up there, he meant running a 32-bit wine with lots of 32-bit dependencies still.

Good point. I was still thinking along the lines of the title. I'd guess that if one is already running Wine this way that just about every dependency is met for Skype.

As a side note, I've been noticing more and more people that believe that bin32-wine is 64 bit Wine. The last time I checked 64 bit Wine didn't really do much if anything. And even if it did, there's almost no software that's worth having it for.

venky80 wrote:

Oh there is now pure 64 bit WINE?

It exists. I don't know if it runs. It will not be able to run 32 bit binaries though.

venky80 · 2009-01-15 06:08:46

neowolf wrote:

skottish wrote:
agapito wrote:
yaourt -S bin32-skype
That's 32 bit Skype with a lot of 32 bit dependencies.
Quite true, but I imagine when the OP noted wine up there, he meant running a 32-bit wine with lots of 32-bit dependencies still.

Oh there is no pure 64 bit WINE?

skottish · 2009-01-15 06:12:11

venky80 wrote:

neowolf wrote:
skottish wrote:
That's 32 bit Skype with a lot of 32 bit dependencies.
Quite true, but I imagine when the OP noted wine up there, he meant running a 32-bit wine with lots of 32-bit dependencies still.
Oh there is no pure 64 bit WINE?

Whoops, I put my edit in too late.

There is a 64 bit Wine. It does exist. I really have no idea if it runs. But, it's not going to be able to run 32 bit binaries. It's next to useless for most Wine users today. There was a very extensive conversation about this on the winehq-devel mailing list a few years ago. Conclusion: it's far too much of a pain-in-the-ass to implement a multi-architecture solution.

venky80 · 2009-01-15 08:55:16

oh thanks for the info skottish i know u r a 64 bit enthusiast..what do u used for voice chat / webcam IMs

KimTjik · 2009-01-15 09:44:25

If you want to, Skype works very well from a chrooted 32bit directory, and thus your 64bit installation stays clean from any 32bit compatibility packages.

fumbles · 2009-01-15 11:04:13

skottish wrote:

There is a 64 bit Wine. It does exist. I really have no idea if it runs.

There has been a 64bit version of wine for quite some time, years even (I used it c.2004). It only runs 64bit versions of Windows programmes and considering there aren't too many of those, not a lot of effort has been put into it. So in other words, it sucks.

http://wiki.winehq.org/Wine64

This port is not yet functional, and only people who are planning to fix the code will want to compile Wine like this.

You need to compile it from source with "--enable-win64" when configuring it.

skottish · 2009-01-15 15:15:28

fumbles wrote:

You need to compile it from source with "--enable-win64" when configuring it.

Within the last two years I've tried to do this and the build failed miserably. When researching the issues, I found many references to the idea that it wouldn't do much of anything for years to come. I guess something changed between here and there.

As you pointed out and I said earlier, there's really no point for most Wine users. Game manufacturers will write for 32 bit as long XP has modern DirectX support. If Windows 7 has wide spread adoption, MS will phase out DirectX for XP forcing gamers to upgrade. Personally I don't care. I haven't used Windows software on my own PC in a very long time.

Xyne · 2009-01-15 15:49:01

KimTjik wrote:

If you want to, Skype works very well from a chrooted 32bit directory, and thus your 64bit installation stays clean from any 32bit compatibility packages.

I've looked at installing a 32-bit chroot several times but haven't done it yet. With it, can you run 32-bit apps simultaneous with the rest of the 64-bit OS?

*edit*
e.g. Can I use it to open up a Skype session while running my normal desktop in 64-bit?

Last edited by Xyne (2009-01-15 15:50:08)

KimTjik · 2009-01-15 16:38:27

Xyne wrote:

KimTjik wrote:
If you want to, Skype works very well from a chrooted 32bit directory, and thus your 64bit installation stays clean from any 32bit compatibility packages.
I've looked at installing a 32-bit chroot several times but haven't done it yet. With it, can you run 32-bit apps simultaneous with the rest of the 64-bit OS?
*edit*
e.g. Can I use it to open up a Skype session while running my normal desktop in 64-bit?

Yes you can. If the operating system is started in 64bit mode it can still run 32bit applications; the other way around is however impossible.

The Wiki entry for this is very good. There's no problem in using AUR either because you can easily build packages by using schroot -p makepkg (see Wiki for how to use schroot). I'm very pleased with how it works. Generally I have no need for 32bit applications, but now and then I want to use some application through Wine, Skype and I haven't found out any other way to encode by neroaacenc than to run it in 32bit mode.

Give it a try. Most seem to be very happy about this solution.

tsv · 2009-01-15 17:29:39

This seems like something I'll have to try. Had massive issues with the bin32-skype package not liking PulseAudio in 64-bit, this way should be cleaner and more successful

cu3edweb · 2009-01-28 14:28:12

KimTjik wrote:

Xyne wrote:
KimTjik wrote:
If you want to, Skype works very well from a chrooted 32bit directory, and thus your 64bit installation stays clean from any 32bit compatibility packages.
I've looked at installing a 32-bit chroot several times but haven't done it yet. With it, can you run 32-bit apps simultaneous with the rest of the 64-bit OS?
*edit*
e.g. Can I use it to open up a Skype session while running my normal desktop in 64-bit?
Yes you can. If the operating system is started in 64bit mode it can still run 32bit applications; the other way around is however impossible.
The Wiki entry for this is very good. There's no problem in using AUR either because you can easily build packages by using schroot -p makepkg (see Wiki for how to use schroot). I'm very pleased with how it works. Generally I have no need for 32bit applications, but now and then I want to use some application through Wine, Skype and I haven't found out any other way to encode by neroaacenc than to run it in 32bit mode.
Give it a try. Most seem to be very happy about this solution.

This I what I do also is run a 32bit chroot for skype. It works great. That is the only thing I use the 32bit environment for which I hate but my parents want to Skype with there grandson so this is what I do.

buttons · 2009-01-28 14:35:41

I suppose you could wait.

From http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/ :
"We're also trying to be friendlier to more operating systems, in particular FreeBSD and OpenSolaris. While there is still no support for 64-bit Linux, we hope to add this during 2009."

Personally I run bin32-skype. I have tried the others [which are compatible with windows SIP clients and have video]. They are not worth it. Plus I need to keep a landline phone number in the UK (I live in the US), and as of this writing only Truphone, Wengo, and Skype let me do this.

chris_debian · 2009-03-13 08:34:01

Yaourt....wow!!

http://archlinux.fr/yaourt-en

skottish wrote:

agapito wrote:
yaourt -S bin32-skype
That's 32 bit Skype with a lot of 32 bit dependencies.

I need to install on amd64. I now know that AUR stuff is built seperately. Will yaourt find bin32-skype, or would I still need to download it?

Thanks,

Chris.

Last edited by chris_debian (2009-03-13 08:45:41)

skottish · 2009-03-13 14:04:50

chris_debian wrote:

Yaourt....wow!!
http://archlinux.fr/yaourt-en
skottish wrote:
agapito wrote:
yaourt -S bin32-skype
That's 32 bit Skype with a lot of 32 bit dependencies.
I need to install on amd64. I now know that AUR stuff is built seperately. Will yaourt find bin32-skype, or would I still need to download it?
Thanks,
Chris.

All bin32-skype does is pull down a bunch of 32 bit libraries and installs them in a multi-lib friendly location (/opt/lib32). It won't actually build anything.

When I still used 32 bit libraries, all the packages that I used to get skype running came out of the regular repos. I took a look at its dependencies, installed the lib32 counterparts, grabbed a copy of 32 bit skype from the repos, and installed it normally.

chris_debian · 2009-03-13 14:44:24

venky80 wrote:

Now that we have flash, JRE,WINE for 64 bit I just have one more block which prevents me from going 64 bit.
Can someone suggest a skype alternative which works well?

http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Linux

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