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#1 2009-02-06 07:39:19
- Orosius
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- Registered: 2008-12-06
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lockup with startx
Hi,
I've been having this problem for about a week now, that when X starts, my screen switches off completely (power saving mode)
and the computer doesn't respond to anything anymore. The only way out is to do a cold reboot.
Since then I have done a fresh install (downloaded at ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/archlinux/ … -i686.iso). After setting it up, I ran an update of the system with "pacman -Syu", and then I installed X and hwd with "pacman -S xorg hwd". I used "hwd -x" to create a xorg.conf-file (I used xorg.conf.vesa, since I read somewhere that this should always work).
Anyway, here it is:
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Xorg Configured"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "PS/2 Mouse" "CorePointer"
# Serial Mouse not detected
# USB Mouse not detected
EndSection
Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true"
Option "AutoAddDevices" "False"
EndSection
Section "Files"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/PEX"
## Additional fonts: Locale, Gimp, TTF...
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic"
## FontPath "/usr/share/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi"
## FontPath "/usr/share/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi"
## True type and type1 fonts are also handled via xftlib, see /etc/X11/XftConfig!
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western"
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives"
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype"
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice"
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera"
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/latex-ttf-fonts"
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/defoma/CID"
# FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/defoma/TrueType"
EndSection
Section "Module"
Load "ddc" # ddc probing of monitor
Load "dbe"
Load "dri"
Load "drm"
Load "extmod"
Load "glx"
Load "bitmap" # bitmap-fonts
# Load "type1"
Load "freetype"
# Load "record"
# Load "synaptics"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
Option "XkbVariant" ""
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Serial Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "Microsoft"
Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
Option "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "PS/2 Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
Option "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "USB Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Buttons" "5"
Option "Buttons" "5"
EndSection
# Auto-generated by Archie mkxcfg
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
Option "DPMS" "true"
# HorizSync 28.0 - 78.0 # Warning: This may fry very old Monitors
HorizSync 28.0 - 96.0 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors
VertRefresh 50.0 - 75.0 # Very conservative. May flicker.
# VertRefresh 50.0 - 62.0 # Extreme conservative. Will flicker. TFT default.
# Default modes distilled from
# "VESA and Industry Standards and Guide for Computer Display Monitor
# Timing", version 1.0, revision 0.8, adopted September 17, 1998.
# $XFree86: xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/etc/vesamodes,v 1.4 1999/11/18 16:52:17 tsi Exp $
# 640x350 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "640x350" 31.5 640 672 736 832 350 382 385 445 +hsync -vsync
# 640x400 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "640x400" 31.5 640 672 736 832 400 401 404 445 -hsync +vsync
# 720x400 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "720x400" 35.5 720 756 828 936 400 401 404 446 -hsync +vsync
# 640x480 @ 60Hz (Industry standard) hsync: 31.5kHz
ModeLine "640x480" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
# 640x480 @ 72Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 491 520 -hsync -vsync
# 640x480 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.5kHz
ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync
# 640x480 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 43.3kHz
ModeLine "640x480" 36.0 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -hsync -vsync
# 800x600 @ 56Hz (VESA) hsync: 35.2kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync
# 800x600 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
# 800x600 @ 72Hz (VESA) hsync: 48.1kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 50.0 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync
# 800x600 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 46.9kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync
# 800x600 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 53.7kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 56.3 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync
# 1024x768i @ 43Hz (industry standard) hsync: 35.5kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 44.9 1024 1032 1208 1264 768 768 776 817 +hsync +vsync Interlace
# 1024x768 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 48.4kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync
# 1024x768 @ 70Hz (VESA) hsync: 56.5kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 75.0 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync
# 1024x768 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 60.0kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync
# 1024x768 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 68.7kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync
# 1152x864 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 67.5kHz
ModeLine "1152x864" 108.0 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync
# 1280x960 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 60.0kHz
ModeLine "1280x960" 108.0 1280 1376 1488 1800 960 961 964 1000 +hsync +vsync
# 1280x960 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 85.9kHz
ModeLine "1280x960" 148.5 1280 1344 1504 1728 960 961 964 1011 +hsync +vsync
# 1280x1024 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 64.0kHz
ModeLine "1280x1024" 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
# 1280x1024 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 80.0kHz
ModeLine "1280x1024" 135.0 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
# 1280x1024 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 91.1kHz
ModeLine "1280x1024" 157.5 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1200 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 75.0kHz
ModeLine "1600x1200" 162.0 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1200 @ 65Hz (VESA) hsync: 81.3kHz
ModeLine "1600x1200" 175.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1200 @ 70Hz (VESA) hsync: 87.5kHz
ModeLine "1600x1200" 189.0 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1200 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 93.8kHz
ModeLine "1600x1200" 202.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1200 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 106.3kHz
ModeLine "1600x1200" 229.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
# 1792x1344 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 83.6kHz
ModeLine "1792x1344" 204.8 1792 1920 2120 2448 1344 1345 1348 1394 -hsync +vsync
# 1792x1344 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 106.3kHz
ModeLine "1792x1344" 261.0 1792 1888 2104 2456 1344 1345 1348 1417 -hsync +vsync
# 1856x1392 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 86.3kHz
ModeLine "1856x1392" 218.3 1856 1952 2176 2528 1392 1393 1396 1439 -hsync +vsync
# 1856x1392 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 112.5kHz
ModeLine "1856x1392" 288.0 1856 1984 2208 2560 1392 1393 1396 1500 -hsync +vsync
# 1920x1440 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 90.0kHz
ModeLine "1920x1440" 234.0 1920 2048 2256 2600 1440 1441 1444 1500 -hsync +vsync
# 1920x1440 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 112.5kHz
ModeLine "1920x1440" 297.0 1920 2064 2288 2640 1440 1441 1444 1500 -hsync +vsync
# Additional modelines
ModeLine "1800x1440" 230 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync
ModeLine "1800x1440" 250 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync
# Extended modelines with GTF timings
# 640x480 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 50.90 kHz; pclk: 43.16 MHz
ModeLine "640x480" 43.16 640 680 744 848 480 481 484 509 -HSync +Vsync
# 768x576 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 35.82 kHz; pclk: 34.96 MHz
ModeLine "768x576" 34.96 768 792 872 976 576 577 580 597 -HSync +Vsync
# 768x576 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 43.27 kHz; pclk: 42.93 MHz
ModeLine "768x576" 42.93 768 800 880 992 576 577 580 601 -HSync +Vsync
# 768x576 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 45.15 kHz; pclk: 45.51 MHz
ModeLine "768x576" 45.51 768 808 888 1008 576 577 580 602 -HSync +Vsync
# 768x576 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 51.42 kHz; pclk: 51.84 MHz
ModeLine "768x576" 51.84 768 808 888 1008 576 577 580 605 -HSync +Vsync
# 768x576 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 61.10 kHz; pclk: 62.57 MHz
ModeLine "768x576" 62.57 768 816 896 1024 576 577 580 611 -HSync +Vsync
# 800x600 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 63.60 kHz; pclk: 68.18 MHz
ModeLine "800x600" 68.18 800 848 936 1072 600 601 604 636 -HSync +Vsync
# 1024x768 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 81.40 kHz; pclk: 113.31 MHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 113.31 1024 1096 1208 1392 768 769 772 814 -HSync +Vsync
# 1152x864 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 53.70 kHz; pclk: 81.62 MHz
ModeLine "1152x864" 81.62 1152 1216 1336 1520 864 865 868 895 -HSync +Vsync
# 1152x864 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 77.10 kHz; pclk: 119.65 MHz
ModeLine "1152x864" 119.65 1152 1224 1352 1552 864 865 868 907 -HSync +Vsync
# 1152x864 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 91.50 kHz; pclk: 143.47 MHz
ModeLine "1152x864" 143.47 1152 1232 1360 1568 864 865 868 915 -HSync +Vsync
# 1280x960 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 72.07 kHz; pclk: 124.54 MHz
ModeLine "1280x960" 124.54 1280 1368 1504 1728 960 961 964 1001 -HSync +Vsync
# 1280x960 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 75.15 kHz; pclk: 129.86 MHz
ModeLine "1280x960" 129.86 1280 1368 1504 1728 960 961 964 1002 -HSync +Vsync
# 1280x960 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 101.70 kHz; pclk: 178.99 MHz
ModeLine "1280x960" 178.99 1280 1376 1520 1760 960 961 964 1017 -HSync +Vsync
ModeLine "1280x1024" 190.96 1280 1376 1520 1760 1024 1025 1028 1085 -HSync +Vsync
# 1400x1050 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 65.22 kHz; pclk: 122.61 MHz
ModeLine "1400x1050" 122.61 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1051 1054 1087 -HSync +Vsync
# 1400x1050 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 78.77 kHz; pclk: 149.34 MHz
ModeLine "1400x1050" 149.34 1400 1496 1648 1896 1050 1051 1054 1094 -HSync +Vsync
# 1400x1050 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 82.20 kHz; pclk: 155.85 MHz
ModeLine "1400x1050" 155.85 1400 1496 1648 1896 1050 1051 1054 1096 -HSync +Vsync
# 1400x1050 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 93.76 kHz; pclk: 179.26 MHz
ModeLine "1400x1050" 179.26 1400 1504 1656 1912 1050 1051 1054 1103 -HSync +Vsync
# 1400x1050 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 111.20 kHz; pclk: 214.39 MHz
ModeLine "1400x1050" 214.39 1400 1512 1664 1928 1050 1051 1054 1112 -HSync +Vsync
# 1600x1200 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 127.10 kHz; pclk: 280.64 MHz
ModeLine "1600x1200" 280.64 1600 1728 1904 2208 1200 1201 1204 1271 -HSync +Vsync
EndSection
# Auto-generated by Archie mkxcfg
Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "vesa"
VendorName "All"
BoardName "All"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultColorDepth 16
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
: Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection
Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSectionThe output of lspci -v (the part about the video card):
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. Device 0320
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
Memory at d0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
I/O ports at c000 [size=256]
Memory at ff4f0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Expansion ROM at ff4c0000 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [58] Express Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [80] MSI: Mask- 64bit+ Count=1/1 Enable-
Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
UESta: DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
UEMsk: DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
UESvrt: DLP+ SDES- TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
CESta: RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- NonFatalErr-
CEMsk: RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- NonFatalErr-
AERCap: First Error Pointer: 00, GenCap- CGenEn- ChkCap- ChkEn-
Kernel modules: radeonfb
02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]
Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. Device 0321
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Memory at ff4e0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [58] Express Endpoint, MSI 00I would also post /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but there is a problem with that: the first time I did startx after the new install, a logfile was written. I then made some changes to xorg.conf and tried startx again. Before that, however, I deleted /var/log/Xorg.0.log, since I wanted to be absolutely sure that the logfile I would find there would be the new one. After crashing my computer with startx and rebooting: no logfile. I don't know if this is related to the lockup problem.
Also worthy of note. The problem is probably not caused by the xorg-server. Among the many things I tried this week before I did the fresh install was downgrading it and the problem was still there. Also, I think the latest xorg-server package has been installed for some time while X worked just fine. I remember because I also struggled with the input hotplugging thing a while ago.
I really hope somebody has some clue what's causing this problem
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#2 2009-02-06 13:06:21
- dav7
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Re: lockup with startx
Huh.
Do you have a dual-head ATI card? If you don't, ignore this message. 
If you do, queue up your "startx" or "xinit" command, unplug your screen from the first head and plug it into the second, then hit enter. Does X work? If it does, your ATI card is one of the models that has some kind of (non-damaging) fault in the firmware or something that means the head outputs are messed up and A is B and B is A. There's an option to fix this in I think the fglrx config file.
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#3 2009-02-06 19:39:27
- Orosius
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Re: lockup with startx
Well, I can only see one output I can plug my screen-cable in, so I guess I have a plain old single-head videocard.
By the way, rereading and rethinking my original post, I saw I have been mixing things up a little bit (I tried so many things). The problem I described is what I had when I tried with the xf86-video-ati driver. With vesa the screen actually does not shut down, but still locks up and sometimes shows these green belts across the screen. Sorry for the confusion.
Also, after I briefly gave up on arch, I installed ubuntu (intrepid ibis), opensuse 11.1 and debian etch. In all of these X started up without any problems, so IMO it's doubtful that the problem is hardware-related.
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#4 2009-02-06 20:29:50
- scarecrow
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Re: lockup with startx
pacman -Sy hwd
hwd -u
hwd -xa... and only then, start X
The above make some sort of usable xorg.conf and disable evdev- which is the main reason for hard lockups when X is started.
You can finetune xorg.conf later.
Microshaft delenda est
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#5 2009-02-06 21:34:06
- Orosius
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Re: lockup with startx
Ok, I tried to do that. Sort of.
When I did exactly what you say, the system did not lock up, but just gave me a short error message that the "fglrx" driver did not exist. This seems logical to me because you need the 'catalyst'-package for that, if I'm not mistaken.
So I tried again the xorg.conf.vesa-file generated by hwd -x: lockup, screen goes black with some green dots and stripes here and there.
For good measure I also installed 'xf86-video-ati' and replaced 'fglrx' by 'ati' in the "xorg.conf.fglrx"-file and tried that one. Same problem as before: screen goes into power saving mode.
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#6 2009-02-07 10:27:20
- Orosius
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Re: lockup with startx
Perhaps this problem is related to another problem I'm having. Whenever a lot of text scrolls through the screen (let's say when compiling a kernel), the computer tends to freeze as well.
I noticed this when I was compiling kernel 2.6.27.10 in order to downgrade. The only way the compile would not freeze the computer was by quickly switching to another terminal with Alt-F2 when the compiling started.
Anyway, in the end my X seems to work fine with the older kernel. Guess I'll have to put 'kernel26' in my ignorepkg-list. I'm still not too happy about this, though. Does this mean I can never update my kernel again? Does this older kernel count as a custom kernel (all I did was change the number of the kernel version downloaded from 'ftp.kernel.org' and the patch version downloaded from 'ftp.archlinux.org', and the appropriate checksums)?
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#7 2009-02-07 10:32:40
- Orosius
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Re: lockup with startx
Sorry, in case it's not clear from my previous post, I used ABS to compile this older kernel
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