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I've been using arch for a while now. I want to get a friend of mine interested in Linux, but he's not that fast of a learner, and I know he wouldn't want to do everything manually. So what other distro has features similar to Archlinux(mainly pacman), and is relatively easy to work with?
In time, I want to work him over to arch, but I know he's not ready for it yet.
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the only system i would recommend, that is comparable, is apt-get from debian
an "easy" linux is mandrake, but it has some other negative aspects, that i would not suggest a newbie to linux to confront to (it's easier to learn alittle and then really use linux the "linux-way" instead of spending hours on switching distros that are more MSwindows-like)
The impossible missions are the only ones which succeed.
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Hmm, I guess I'll have a look at Debian then. Thanks for the information.
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From what I just read about it, I think it'll be viable. I'm hoping the transition from that to Arch later on won't be too hard on him.
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Hmm, I guess I'll have a look at Debian then. Thanks for the information.
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From what I just read about it, I think it'll be viable. I'm hoping the transition from that to Arch later on won't be too hard on him.
using both is _very_ similar ... installing them is a little bit different and configuring them also alittle different, but the idea is the same
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distrowatch.com is a good resources as well. They have some descriptions of some of the more "mainstream" distributions.
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just checked the distrowatch website, and ARCH is headline news! w00t!
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"tacos" -- Cactus' Law
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Fedora has auto updating and installing too... as does SuSE...
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Fedora has auto updating and installing too... as does SuSE...
yes, but i used debian for long and never had conflicts that broke system ... fedora broke it in the 3rd update i run :evil: // suse i quit with version 7.1 and will never use it again (it's too expensive)
The impossible missions are the only ones which succeed.
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Using testing/frozen and unstable I ran into package conflicts in Debian. I got very good at fixing things the Debian way.
I had a friend who wanted to learn Linux start out with Debian. He really hated it. More recently, he's been using Red Hat (and now Fedora) and has actually learned how to use Linux (and I don't mean as a user... he's learned the process to learn in Linux).
I have discovered that all of mans unhappiness derives from only one source, not being able to sit quietly in a room
- Blaise Pascal
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Check out frugalware, it actually uses pacman.
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Check out Ubuntu.
Based on Debian with Gnome 2.8, easy setup/HW dectection etc.
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Ubuntu is alright, but I strongly recommend against Debian. It is evil.
If you develop an ear for sounds that are musical it is like developing an ego. You begin to refuse sounds that are not musical and that way cut yourself off from a good deal of experience.
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Help him install Arch. Really, after the install, Arch is simple, nothing to learn. Fedora would be good too. Mandrake is my vote for a first distro, or at least it use to be. I haven't used it since ver 7 days.
If you want to learn, Slackware is the one.
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Help him install Arch.
You'd be doing him a favor. Debian is not all that noob-friendly anyway, in my opinion.
You could always turn him on to Gentoo! :twisted:
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Suse, Mandrake and Fedora are all gentle introductions to the world of linux.
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xandros may be an alternative.
good hw detection, based on debian winshit like kde
Forever newbie !!!
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I think Mandrake is one of the best noob-friendly distros out there. It also has 'urpmi' which is kind of similar to pacman.
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i think im gonna install Fefora on one of my partitions, just to check out... i wanna see their install process (gui, ea? ) and see how far they have come with the rpm packaging stuff... i have only bad memories from the RedHat days
mainly, i want to compare performance issues - see if my conclusions about Arch being so damn-fast are accurate
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fedora is very low
it does not have a esd daemon, so place:
esd & in /etc/rc.local.
disable the unwanted daemons, there are a few.
and install apt-get.
after this you will have a user friendly fedora
environment.
http://home.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc2-tips.php
this can help
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i think im gonna install Fefora on one of my partitions, just to check out... i wanna see their install process (gui, ea? ) and see how far they have come with the rpm packaging stuff... i have only bad memories from the RedHat days
mainly, i want to compare performance issues - see if my conclusions about Arch being so damn-fast are accurate
i think the fedora GUI installeris 100% python IIRC - which is awesome
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No one, in the end. debian and debian based ones have problems as their base is out dated, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. I will never again use any rpm based distro, and gentoo means compile your cpu to death.
Maybe linux from scratch, to get rid of my beloved rc.conf.
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[mu'.krum.pus], [frum.pus]
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what about giving this person a knoppix-cd to play around?
The impossible missions are the only ones which succeed.
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I thought miss Pink Chick liked ubuntu...
arch + gentoo + initng + python = enlisy
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Ah wow. I go to sleep, wake up, and then, there are so many replies.
I've had a look at Knoppix, and Feather Linux(which is a chopped down version of Knoppix). Downloaded both and tried them out. Seem to be very good for recovery perhaps, but to learn from is it suitable?
Can you save these to harddisk for actual normal day usage? If so I'll have a look into it.
I'd really consider setting it up for him(Arch that is), but I dont like doing work for other people, I feel everyone should learn how to do things as such on their own, when they are ready. If I do it for him, he gets the easy way out, but then is at a disadvantage, because he hasn't learned.
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Oh, boy, he nailed me ...
ubuntu is the distro I would prefer ... if arch wasn't better. Never say goodbye, you named it!
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I'm running Ubuntu on my IBM ThinkPad. Detected damn near everything out of the box, and the wireless setup is a breeze.
Some of the packages remain a bit out of date (firefox 0.9.3?) but I really like the "no root, use sudo" nature of the system.
I'm growing to like KDE better than gnome, though. someone shoot me.
And after having used yum, synaptic, yast, pacman and emerge, I'll never use a system without some sort of package management again :-)
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