xorg-server 1.6.0 in testing

Alienfreak · 2009-03-17 12:29:02

I think my problem is the Kernel and not the Xorg 1.6.0, so KMS is not really stable at all ^^
And there is not a lot you can do wrong here, so a PEBKAC is not too likely. Compile with Intel drivers, the KMS as default is already enabled by default then, Framebuffer support is selected by default, too, just dont select any Framebuffer driver.

But sadly the 2.6.29 Kernel gives me artifacts in the lower lines and I think its the kernels fault, too, that my Xorg hardlocks without any meaningful log entry.

Last edited by Alienfreak (2009-03-17 12:32:12)

hoschi · 2009-03-19 19:08:08

bender02 wrote:

hoschi wrote:
...KMS...
In fact: It stable, its fast, allow more nice features (widescreen resolutions on framebuffer) and it easy to include new features.
Not stable nor fast for me, but I'm looking forward to the moment when it will

As far as I can see, the problem is the userspace part of xorg (xorg-server, libdrm and xf86-video-intel). KMS itself and the driver in the kernel itself works perfect. I work very often only with the framebuffer on the tty's so its not a drama for me

Alienfreak · 2009-03-19 19:32:13

As I said before, Hoschi, the kernel driver is NOT stable on my MacBook 2nd Gen. It screws up even on the VT.

dcrabs · 2009-03-20 07:52:14

Is anyone of you using compiz? If so, do you experience any increase of memory of the X process?
It's driving me crazy here. Nothing helped so far. Latest git versions of kernel and intel driver didn't change a thing. It is mostly stable but X freezes occasionally. It's the same in gnome with compiz fusion or KDE and desktop effects.
Additionally I have a similar thing as "Alienfreak" but only when I log out of the xserver (hardlock), not when I switch to a VT. Ending it with Ctrl + Alt + Backspace is working fine though.

eldragon · 2009-03-20 12:02:03

yes, im using compiz, and no, i dont experience xorg lockups. never measured memory usage so i wouldnt know about that.

intel gma945 here.

randy80016 · 2009-03-21 06:54:46

Things work fine in Xorg for an indeterminate amount of time, then all the sudden, my screens blank. At this point, touching the keyboard causes beeps.

Interestingly, the crash always seems to happen as a result of me typing on the keyboard. For example, I will be using mutt in an mrxvt terminal, and as soon as I hit 'j' or 'backspace' the box crashes. It never crashes when just using the mouse or not as the result of typing. Of course, this only happens after around 30 minutes or so, as I am using this setup right now and typing is working fine.

Backtrace:
0: /usr/bin/X(xorg_backtrace+0x26) [0x4f00a6]
1: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x39) [0x49c149]
2: /lib/libc.so.6 [0x7f5f4382a150]
3: /usr/bin/X(miPointerWarpCursor+0x8b) [0x4da17b]
4: /usr/bin/X [0x478050]
5: /usr/bin/X [0x4d9dcc]
6: /usr/bin/X [0x53499f]
7: /usr/bin/X [0x454f14]
8: /usr/bin/X(CheckMotion+0x2af) [0x45925f]
9: /usr/bin/X(ProcessOtherEvent+0x2d9) [0x53e559]
10: /usr/bin/X(XkbHandleActions+0x21b) [0x5653db]
11: /usr/bin/X(XkbProcessKeyboardEvent+0x3c1) [0x565ec1]
12: /usr/bin/X(AccessXFilterPressEvent+0x10c) [0x55db0c]
13: /usr/bin/X(mieqProcessInputEvents+0x34e) [0x4d0b9e]
14: /usr/bin/X(ProcessInputEvents+0x9) [0x49cc99]
15: /usr/bin/X(Dispatch+0x71) [0x44d6c1]
16: /usr/bin/X(main+0x3bd) [0x4338ad]
17: /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0x7f5f43816546]
18: /usr/bin/X [0x432d39]

Where can I get symbols to debug this? Or is there way to just run Xorg inside gdb from the start?

As a workaround can someone tell me how I go about using a non-testing Xorg properly through pacman?

I guess what I am asking is, what is the arch equivalent to gentoo's:

/etc/portage/package.mask:
>=xorg-server-1.6.0

steve-e · 2009-03-21 11:09:24

Hi,

I am running latest testing, the ati-radeon driver and have problems with my ATI x1300 mobile. I tried to activate EXA but when I do this and switch a tab in an application or scroll in a virtual terminal the right side of my laptop screen is flickering.

It doesn't make a difference if I have EXAVSync and Composite enabled or disabled. Anyone an idea what I should try?

byte · 2009-03-21 13:04:41

randy80016 wrote:

As a workaround can someone tell me how I go about using a non-testing Xorg properly through pacman?
I guess what I am asking is, what is the arch equivalent to gentoo's:
/etc/portage/package.mask:
>=xorg-server-1.6.0

Get the old package versions from somewhere, install them locally with pacman -U, and put xorg-server and all xf86-video/input drivers in IgnorePkg in /etc/pacman.conf.

mutlu_inek · 2009-03-21 23:49:54

dcrabs wrote:

Is anyone of you using compiz? If so, do you experience any increase of memory of the X process?
It's driving me crazy here. Nothing helped so far. Latest git versions of kernel and intel driver didn't change a thing. It is mostly stable but X freezes occasionally. It's the same in gnome with compiz fusion or KDE and desktop effects.
Additionally I have a similar thing as "Alienfreak" but only when I log out of the xserver (hardlock), not when I switch to a VT. Ending it with Ctrl + Alt + Backspace is working fine though.

Yeah, same here with Kwin's desktop effects. X freezes randomly within the first about four hours of use.

whoops · 2009-03-22 14:22:58

Did compile the new xorg from abs/testing and after that the stuff that I guessed it would "need most" (keyboard, mouse, nvidia & compiz-core + plugins).

Everything works fine so far, xorg seems to need about 10-20% more RAM now but it uses 70-80% (!) less cpu while working on gnome/compiz - desktop.

steve-e · 2009-03-22 15:05:58

steve-e wrote:

Hi,
I am running latest testing, the ati-radeon driver and have problems with my ATI x1300 mobile. I tried to activate EXA but when I do this and switch a tab in an application or scroll in a virtual terminal the right side of my laptop screen is flickering.
It doesn't make a difference if I have EXAVSync and Composite enabled or disabled. Anyone an idea what I should try?

I got it:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "RadeonX1300"
    Driver      "radeon"
    Option      "AccelMethod" "EXA"
    Option      "DisplayPriority" "HIGH"
    Option      "DynamicClocks" "on"
    Option      "AccelDFS" "on"
    Option      "ColorTiling" "on"
EndSection

Keywords: tearing, scrolling, terminal, flicker, thinkpad, radeon, mobility

hoschi · 2009-03-22 16:23:59

Alienfreak wrote:

As I said before, Hoschi, the kernel driver is NOT stable on my MacBook 2nd Gen. It screws up even on the VT.

Okay. That is really bad!
The framebuffer-terminals here are stable.

dcrabs · 2009-03-23 08:16:44

eldragon wrote:

yes, im using compiz, and no, i dont experience xorg lockups. never measured memory usage so i wouldnt know about that.
intel gma945 here.

If you don't mind looking at the memory, it would be interesting to know. Here everything I have to do is watching the X process in htop. Then use any compiz effect for example expose. It increases by around 1MB each time. Gnome with compiz is a bit better than KDE with desktop effects.

It still happens with latest git-versions of mesa, intel-dri and xf86-video-intel driver. It is just really annoying cause when I don't keep an eye on it the computer becomes suddenly unusable because of harddisk activity/swapping when it doesn't freeze in between. All I can do is killing X from time to time.

eldragon · 2009-03-23 12:16:50

dcrabs wrote:

eldragon wrote:
yes, im using compiz, and no, i dont experience xorg lockups. never measured memory usage so i wouldnt know about that.
intel gma945 here.
If you don't mind looking at the memory, it would be interesting to know. Here everything I have to do is watching the X process in htop. Then use any compiz effect for example expose. It increases by around 1MB each time. Gnome with compiz is a bit better than KDE with desktop effects.
It still happens with latest git-versions of mesa, intel-dri and xf86-video-intel driver. It is just really annoying cause when I don't keep an eye on it the computer becomes suddenly unusable because of harddisk activity/swapping when it doesn't freeze in between. All I can do is killing X from time to time.

im trying to do this, but cant get htop to measure total memory instead of percentage. anyway, its about 5% of 1gb, so there. about 50megs.

will measure after hours use this way and report back

EDIT: after 2hs of runtime, xorg still sits at about 5~6% deppending on the ammount of software running.

mind you, ive got few compiz plugins running... cube (no images, no dome, no reflections), wobble, and some effects for minimize, close, etcetera. if you need an extensive list, please let me know how to automate the export

this could prove useful:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])

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fabioamd87 · 2009-03-24 11:52:52

agapito wrote:

revellion wrote:
working fine here on Thinkpad T60p with Intel 945GMA Chip .
And DRI2 works as intended (just had to toss this in as it was one of the biggest reasons i drooled over this testing release )
Can you post your xorg.conf because i have the same card and very low performance with this update. Only 500 fps on glxgears.

http://www.osnews.com/story/21133/Why_g … n_t_Matter

ras0ir · 2009-03-24 13:32:23

steve-e wrote:

I got it:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "RadeonX1300"
    Driver      "radeon"
    Option      "AccelMethod" "EXA"
    Option      "DisplayPriority" "HIGH"
    Option      "DynamicClocks" "on"
    Option      "AccelDFS" "on"
    Option      "ColorTiling" "on"
EndSection

Keywords: tearing, scrolling, terminal, flicker, thinkpad, radeon, mobility

Option "DisplayPriority" "HIGH"
solved flickering problem thanks.

Btw, i've tested 1.6.0 with xf86-video-ati (6.12.0) and it worked perfect for me (memory usage is same with 1.5), im using compiz with xfce.

mintcoffee · 2009-03-24 20:52:51

psych wrote:

AlphaWolf wrote:
I noticed that, too. Java apps are performing worse (with kms enabled ). X becomes very laggy.
Any idea why it lags???
I dont understand this... why does kms influence 2d performance so much... and why only special apps????

Are you using UXA? This is probably the cause of your slow Java apps. UXA doesn't support the drawing primatives used by Swing apps.

http://linuxhippy.blogspot.com/2009/03/ … about.html

psych · 2009-03-25 12:13:22

It's a java game... (creepsmash) ...
And it works fine with EXA and UXA... but it doesn't work with KMS enabled UXA....
Kernel 2.6.29 xorg-server-1.6 and xf86-video-intel-git (from aur) !

k33l0r · 2009-03-25 16:24:21

I've been running Xorg 1.6 for a small while now, and so far no problems (I only have the required dependencies from testing, everything else is from the stable repos)

* Arch Linux x86_64
* kernel 2.6.28.8-1
* catalyst 9.4-0.1 (from the AUR)
* catalyst-utils 9.4-0.3 (also AUR)
* gnome 2.24

edubarr · 2009-03-25 16:44:57

I've been using Xorg 1.6 and the latest intel drivers from the testing repo for the last couple of days. The only issue I ran into was freezeing the laptop whenever waking up from a suspend in UXA. I've since changed my xorg.conf to use EXA and the problem went away.

I'll compile a custom 2.6.29 kernel with KMS support to see how that works out. I've seen a kernel26-kms in AUR but apparently it focuses on the radeon drivers, I'll check if it supports intel as well (I hope it does, it will save me some trouble).

I'll keep you posted on how everything goes.

pdunning · 2009-03-25 18:14:57

I have an intel GMA 3100 and 2GHz intel core 2 duo on a Dell Inspiron 1525 and the latest packages from testing.

I've got a problem with a few programs.
Warzone2100 seems to be falling back to software accelleration and using 99% CPU, while wine running Civilization 4 crashes with lots of invalid GL operations. Any ideas what's causing this?

Slack · 2009-03-25 22:19:23

I have update to xorg-server 1.6 but I have a issue. The touchpad doesn't work after update. So far, my touchpad has been provided by HAL with 11-x11-synaptics.fdi file, but now touchpad is dead.

anyone can help me please???

edubarr · 2009-03-26 02:11:41

Good news and bad news. Good news is that KMS and the latest intel drivers do work nicely together. Bad news is that X was unstable... All I needed to do was play a video and drag totem around for X to crash (at least it didn't crash the entire system). This bug is a little annoying, and happened 3 times (I kept forgetting and moving the video away form my terminal). I don't know who's to blame but my guess is that it was the driver's fault.

In short, I'm going back to either X 1.6 with EXA or X 1.5 until things improve (either with the intel drivers or with X). I'll check if it's still unstable in EXA. BTW, you don't need to have the i915 compiled into the kernel - it can be loaded as a module. The downside is that the console stays the same resolution as without the framebuffer. You can still switch VTs quickly, although the console looks like crap.

Last edited by edubarr (2009-03-26 02:20:07)

venky80 · 2009-03-26 02:16:24

Slack wrote:

I have update to xorg-server 1.6 but I have a issue. The touchpad doesn't work after update. So far, my touchpad has been provided by HAL with 11-x11-synaptics.fdi file, but now touchpad is dead.
anyone can help me please???

I have the same issue

edubarr · 2009-03-26 02:22:52

venky80 wrote:

Slack wrote:
I have update to xorg-server 1.6 but I have a issue. The touchpad doesn't work after update. So far, my touchpad has been provided by HAL with 11-x11-synaptics.fdi file, but now touchpad is dead.
anyone can help me please???
I have the same issue

Are you guys using an xorg.conf by any chance? If not then try to create one with the ServerLayout section and see if that solves the problem.

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