KDE 4.3 unstable pulling in packages from 4.2.2?

stony · 2009-07-06 05:01:42

Hey you,

I activated the testing and the kde-unstable repos in order to test KDE 4.3.
On my normal Desktop everything is fine so far (as expected). On my notebook however a "pacman -S kde" pulls in the old packages too. So KDE 4.3 is broken atm.

Has someone an idea what I can be doing wrong? (I found nothing until now)

Thanks

Stony

flamelab · 2009-07-06 05:52:18

You should do: pacman -S kde-meta

no "pacman -S kde".

And, if you have kde-unstable enabled, you must have [testing] enabled as well. When KDE4.3 reaches extra, you won't need to have kde-unstable and testing enabled, of course.

PS KDE 4.2.4 is in extra now

Last edited by flamelab (2009-07-06 05:53:27)

Mad Max · 2009-07-13 10:47:36

Hi guys, i have experienced a similar problem with those "outdated" 4.2.4 packages, despite of using pacman -S kde-meta...

So, what i did:
1. enabled [testing] and [kde-unstable] repos
2. did an update and installed kde-meta
Result: => landed on screwed-up kde 4.2.4 with some 4.3 packages

Do i have to comment out all other repos, except of [testing] and [kde-unstable] in order to clean install kde 4.3?! Please could someone provide _concrete_ instructions how to install it and not just "enable kde-unstable"? I would appreciate it.

P.S. - Just my 2 cents: I have tried Arch before, but this situation with kde has never been messed up so badly... There was a stable kde, kde-mod (which was pretty up-to-date), but i am on war path with this unstable repo somehow... Why can't there be some repo, like kubuntu-ones, which implements all those 4.3 RC-updates clean?

Thank you guys in advance.

Pierre · 2009-07-13 11:20:58

Please be more verbose on what you did and what the result was. Make sure you have the right order of repos: kde-unstable, testing, core, extra.

Mad Max · 2009-07-13 11:45:47

Pierre wrote:

Please be more verbose on what you did and what the result was. Make sure you have the right order of repos: kde-unstable, testing, core, extra.

Thank you for such rapid response and Grüße aus Mannheim .

Ok, this might be my problem, because i just added [kde-unstable] at the end of the file.

Well, what i did:

I did a clean install just with xorg (and ALSA and stuff) without any desktop environment.
Then I updated my whole system with pacman, having [testing] and [kde-unstable] (at the bottom, though) enabled. Afterwards I tried to install kde with pacman -S kde-meta. Finally, what i saw, was kde 4.2.4 but with some packages from 4.3. I can't tell you at this point, which packages were from 4.3, but i saw pacman installing some with number 4.2.96, which in turn are from 4.3RC1.

And that's why I asked you guys here about, maybe step-by-step instructions or at least some major directions, on how to install kde 4.3 clean, I don't really need any legacy packages from previous 4.2.x or even 3.5.x releases, I just want to test the 4.3, as it comes.

My second question is:

after removing that messed-up kde, I managed to setup, there was another problem - HAL failed to start. The curious thing about it is, that I installed gnome afterwards and had NO problems, despite of HAL not running! Does the new KDE already use some other technology, like DeviceKit, that makes HAL unneeded? (Yes i tried to reinstall HAL, but it refused to start, giving me just "FAILED" Message)

I hope, my questions are more understandable now .

Last edited by Mad Max (2009-07-13 11:46:47)

Pierre · 2009-07-13 11:52:16

Yes, putting testing and kde-unstable at the bottom is a good way to break your system. kde-unstable and testing are for experienced users who know how to use it. That's why there wont be a step-by-step documentation. There are some problems with pacman and groups, repalces etc. across repos you have to deal with.

Mad Max · 2009-07-13 12:01:13

Ok, i understand that, but i would like to try the new RC anyway... But i want it just as the KDE-guys have packaged it, without dealing with those closs-repo-replaces, you mentioned.

Well, just in my case: i have an empty system, with just X server on it.
Is it a good way to install kde 4.3 (again in my case),
when i move [kde-unstable] just under [testing] (<- testing was always the first entry, as default, i had only that unstable repo at the bottom) and do kde-meta install? Or is it safe to temporary comment out other repos?

P.S.: did you experienced something similar, I had with HAL phenomenon?

Thanks

Pierre · 2009-07-13 12:10:34

If you don't want to deal with problems don't use kde-unstable. It's really that simple.

Mad Max · 2009-07-13 12:18:19

Ok, just to come to an end...

I know, that is maybe not a appropriate comparison, but in kubuntu there is just an extra repo with kde 4.3, that works. That is indeed similar to our [kde-unstable], that doesn't.

So you mean, there is NO way to get 4.3 working without SERIOUS troubles?? That's ridiculous. I can handle some minor difficulties, but i hate that package-mix with different versions, I ended up with...

Thank you for your help, anyways.

Pierre · 2009-07-13 12:28:31

Sorry,but this comparison is just stupid. Ubuntu does not use pacman and as a result don't have to deal with its limitations.

quarkup · 2009-07-13 12:49:45

would 'pacman -Syu' update the current kde4.2.4 to kde4.3 (testing) ?

@Mad Max, kde4.3 in testing is working nicely (not that flawlessly - its in testing anyway) ...

agapito · 2009-07-13 12:50:02

Mad Max wrote:

Ok, just to come to an end...
I know, that is maybe not a appropriate comparison, but in kubuntu there is just an extra repo with kde 4.3, that works. That is indeed similar to our [kde-unstable], that doesn't.
So you mean, there is NO way to get 4.3 working without SERIOUS troubles?? That's ridiculous. I can handle some minor difficulties, but i hate that package-mix with different versions, I ended up with...
Thank you for your help, anyways.

You can use KDEMOD-TESTING repo. RC2 works fine.

I am using now RC2 from kde-unstable and works fine. kde-unstable should be your first repo and testing second.

Mad Max · 2009-07-13 13:28:18

Thank you guy for your responses, that was exactly, what i was expecting to hear and not, that my comparison is stupid.

@agapito : i would like to keep the kde as vanilla as possible right now, because of some software testing purposes. So i would install it from [kde-unstable].

Just to precise the procedure a bit:

1. I should put [kde-unstable] before [testing]?
2. Do i need to comment-out core, community etc. for the time of update?
3. I should still install it with pacman -S kde-meta or just kde then?

Thanks in advance.

Last edited by Mad Max (2009-07-13 13:29:06)

flamelab · 2009-07-13 13:50:19

Ιn order to have a fully working KDE 4.3:

1)Remove ANY Kde package you have installed.
2)It would be better to make a backup of your ~/.kde4 directory. It would be wise to remove it completely, after taking a backup.
3)Put [kde-unstable] ABOVE all.
4)Put [testing] just under [kde-unstable]. Only under [kde-unstable] and above the other repos. Do not disable any other repo.
5)pacman -Syy
6)pacman -S kde-meta --> ONLY kde-meta, because with "pacman -S kde" you download and install KDE 4.2 packages as well.
7)Log out, login.
8) You are ready.

Mad Max · 2009-07-13 15:46:10

@flamelab

Thanks a lot! That is exactly, what i was looking for!

Last edited by Mad Max (2009-07-14 09:17:06)

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KDE 4.3 unstable pulling in packages from 4.2.2?

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