The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

mahan_h · 2009-07-17 14:23:28

1. Remove any catalyst-thing you may have installed.
2. Install xf86-video-ati (or the git version in AUR).
3. Remove any xorg.conf you may have configured

Sorry none of them worked....

Yep, I no more believe in AMD/ATI...
I remember once AMD was going to stand beside Linux and open source...

flamelab · 2009-07-17 14:31:41

mahan_h wrote:

1. Remove any catalyst-thing you may have installed.
2. Install xf86-video-ati (or the git version in AUR).
3. Remove any xorg.conf you may have configured
Sorry none of them worked....
Yep, I no more believe in AMD/ATI...
I remember once AMD was going to stand beside Linux and open source...

When you mean that they didn't work ? xf86-video-ati works great in cards older than the HD2xxx ones.

Maybe your system wants "radeon" to be inserted statically in xorg.conf.

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "My Graphics Card"
    Driver      "radeon"
EndSection

Perry3D · 2009-07-17 14:36:55

mahan_h wrote:

1. Remove any catalyst-thing you may have installed.
2. Install xf86-video-ati (or the git version in AUR).
3. Remove any xorg.conf you may have configured
Sorry none of them worked....
Yep, I no more believe in AMD/ATI...
I remember once AMD was going to stand beside Linux and open source...

Don't give up. I also have an x300 in my Thinkpad. It works great with this driver. And in the future you will get more and more features (KMS, indirect rendering with 2.6.31 Kernel, faster 3D with gallium, ...).

Show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and we will help you.

xakh · 2009-07-20 04:42:54

It keeps telling me it relies on libgl. but then if I tell it to uninstall it, it tells me I need libgl. I'm rather confused.

hunterthomson · 2009-07-20 06:20:02

xakh wrote:

It keeps telling me it relies on libgl. but then if I tell it to uninstall it, it tells me I need libgl. I'm rather confused.

Ya dude, I was vary confused about that too. This should be added to the ATI wiki..... The ATI WiKi and all else just assumes you should know the order in which to install the stuff and to remove the libgl with the -d flag. However, with all the hassle of installing the Catalyst these details should not be left out.

To install the ATI Catalyst driver

First install xorg

pacman -S xorg

Then Un-install libgl using the -d flag to skip dependency checks.

pacman -Rd libgl

Then install catalyst-utils and catalyst form AUR (or the catalyst repository)

yaourt -S catalyst-utils catalyst

or this if you added the catalyst repository

pacman -S catalyst-utils catalyst

Then place your xorg.conf file in /etc/X11 and run any aticonfig commands you need too. Make sure you have the hal daemon installed and running before you startx.

xorg.conf

#
# Working xorg.conf for elitebook 8530w with Mobility FireGL v5700
#

Section "Monitor"
    Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
    Option        "DPMS" "false"
    #    Option        "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
    #    Option        "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
    Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
    Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
    DefaultDepth     24
EndSection

Section "DRI"
    Mode         0666
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier     "aticonfig Layout"
    Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
    Driver      "fglrx"
    Option    "UseFastTLS" "1"
    BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
    Option        "DontZap" "false"
EndSection

Last edited by hunterthomson (2009-07-22 00:41:24)

cinan · 2009-07-20 11:14:10

hunterthomson: what does option "UseFastTLS" mean? Google didn't help me

Wintervenom · 2009-07-20 13:15:54

It means to use fast thread-local storage. Setting it to "1" enables, and "2" sets compatibility mode, for some apps that don't play nice.

Last edited by Wintervenom (2009-07-20 13:20:08)

xakh · 2009-07-20 21:22:49

So do I add all of that to my xorg.conf? is anything dependent on what ATI card I'm using?
Okay, so I installed it, then ran aticonfig, or whatever that command was, and as soon as I ran those I rebooted, since it made sense. Of course, this was a terrible idea, and now I'm getting random graphics errors as I start my system, and I can't seem to access anything, since I set X to start automatically. is there any way to fix my config, so I can turn off X and get the configuration right?

Last edited by xakh (2009-07-20 21:48:18)

venky80 · 2009-07-21 03:11:35

anyone able to get i686 working ?

hunterthomson · 2009-07-21 04:13:29

xakh wrote:

So do I add all of that to my xorg.conf? is anything dependent on what ATI card I'm using?
Okay, so I installed it, then ran aticonfig, or whatever that command was, and as soon as I ran those I rebooted, since it made sense. Of course, this was a terrible idea, and now I'm getting random graphics errors as I start my system, and I can't seem to access anything, since I set X to start automatically. is there any way to fix my config, so I can turn off X and get the configuration right?

Well, I make no clam that that xorg.conf file will work with any other card or computer. However, "I" would imagine it would.

Ya, there is something you can add to the Kernel line of your /boot/grub/menu.lst that will stop X from starting.
I forgot what it was though.

The easy way out would be to just boot into the LiveCD and !bang out GDM or what ever in rc.conf. That is one reason I don't use GUI login managers. They wast time and if X is messed up it is a pain in the ass.

Only mess around with the aticonfig settings if the catalyst will not work.

Make SURE your default-color depth is set to "24" in your xorg.conf file.

Also, make SURE you have Hal installed and in your daemons array in /etc/rc.conf . Hal will auto-detect and auto-setup pretty much everything Xorg needs to run.

If X is giving you crap then check the log for errors. like soo...

cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE

That will show all the lines that tell you the errors last time you tried to start X. Whell, realy it will show you all the lines that have EE in them but (EE) is how the error lines start in the Xorg log file.

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xakh · 2009-07-21 04:19:01

Ah. I got X working again, so that's good, I had to remove the driver though, so that's bad. At any rate, I have no xorg.conf in etc/X11, so is this is very confusing, do I need to write the whole thing?

hunterthomson · 2009-07-21 04:30:07

xakh wrote:

Ah. I got X working again, so that's good, I had to remove the driver though, so that's bad. At any rate, I have no xorg.conf in etc/X11, so is this is very confusing, do I need to write the whole thing?

No, you see Hal is what is enabling you to run X without any xorg.conf file.

You do however need just a bare bones one to tell it to use the fglrx Catalyst driver. The xorg.conf file I posted is just a bare bones xorg.conf. Maybe try it again but with the TLS set to "2" instead of "1". Then if it doesn't work you can build on it defining more features and leaving less guess work for Hal.

I spent weeks editing the xorg.conf trying to get my card to work but it ended up I just needed to turn off ACPI with the aticonfig --acpi-services=off command. Also, any composite manager like compiz or xcompozer or even just an application asking for True transparency is enough to mess up the whole thing without a patched Xserver.

I know for a fact that any HD3650 cards have to have ACPI turned off.
My ATI Mobility FireGL v5700 is really a HD3650

Last edited by hunterthomson (2009-07-21 04:32:01)

xakh · 2009-07-21 05:07:03

I installed the thing, and used your Xorg.conf, it works, with some flickering on certain shades of grey, a lot of errors with Kwin, like making the wobbly windows suck (it just makes a wobbly outline that goes on the exterior of the square window, the window stays square, but the outline wiggles.) Anyway, So it works, but it could be better. I get 350fps on the Cube1 engine, which is sort of my benchmark. Anyway, some help?

hunterthomson · 2009-07-21 05:17:44

xakh wrote:

I installed the thing, and used your Xorg.conf, it works, with some flickering on certain shades of grey, a lot of errors with Kwin, like making the wobbly windows suck (it just makes a wobbly outline that goes on the exterior of the square window, the window stays square, but the outline wiggles.) Anyway, So it works, but it could be better. I get 350fps on the Cube1 engine, which is sort of my benchmark. Anyway, some help?

Ya, you can't use any composite manager at all with the Catalyst. Unless you install the Patched Xserver with no Backfill which is in the AUR but I could not get it to build.

So, turn off all desktop effects. Also, in Terminator settings if I set "Enable True Transparency" (Even though Terminator shell dosen't have the ability to give itself "True Transparency" and only calls the WM to give it to it) That is all that is needed to mess everything up. So, not only disable ALL Desktop Effects also Disable any setting in any applications that try to enable True Transparency or anything like that as well.

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xakh · 2009-07-21 06:18:34

That sucks. I'm hoping that gets fixed soon.

hunterthomson · 2009-07-21 07:43:17

xakh wrote:

That sucks. I'm hoping that gets fixed soon.

Hay well cool

I just checked up on the patched Xserver and both of the packages claim to build now.
Tomorrow I am going to install one. I suggest you install it too... ether one.

This patched Xserver solves a lot of problems not just composite manager stuff.

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=26728

or

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=26687

Last edited by hunterthomson (2009-07-21 07:49:23)

xakh · 2009-07-21 22:39:26

So, is this a safe to use Xserver? I'm kind of leery of anything, after my last major crash. Also, what do I have to type into Konsole just to install that Xserver? I really don't want to fuck up.

hunterthomson · 2009-07-22 00:30:12

xakh wrote:

So, is this a safe to use Xserver? I'm kind of leery of anything, after my last major crash. Also, what do I have to type into Konsole just to install that Xserver? I really don't want to fuck up.

Well you may want to hold off just a minute. I just trying to install and nether one would build for me... again.
However, it seems both maintainers are on the ball now to should be fixed soon.

Ya, the Xserver is stable with these patches. In-fact, if your using the Catalyst it will be More stable.

All you need to do to install is... will kind of a lot of steps but easy.

pacman -Rd catalyst-utils catalyst
pacman -S libgl xf86driproto xtrans xcmiscproto bigreqsproto resourceproto glproto xorg-util-macros xorg-server-utils
 
yaourt -S xorg-server-catalyst-maximize-fix

pacman -Rd libgl

pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/catalyst-utils-9.6-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.gz 
pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/catalyst-9.6-4-x86_64.pkg.tar.gz

Last edited by hunterthomson (2009-07-22 00:31:41)

xakh · 2009-07-22 03:03:49

I have to say, I'll wait till you install it, so I know if it's safe.

kensai · 2009-07-22 03:42:58

I have installed this xorg-server-catalyst-maximize-fix and is working well here.

hunterthomson · 2009-07-22 05:46:57

kensai wrote:

I have installed this xorg-server-catalyst-maximize-fix and is working well here.

Well thats good. I got a strange error. I thought it mite have been just me.

PKGBUILD: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied

edit: Owe, ya it is my fault. I guess I should try again and build it in say /tmp instead of my /home/cruzer directory.
a quick google found that this is a problem that is probably unrelated to the PKGBUILD.

I bet I could get both of them to build. What I really need to do at this point is learn how to write my own PKGBUILD's. Then start contributing to the AUR myself.

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molni · 2009-07-22 07:34:14

Kensai thank you! Your repo works perfectly under x86_64.

kensai · 2009-07-22 22:00:44

ATI is taking too long to release a driver this month, usually when they do that is one of two things:
a) They just suck and take too long sometimes to release an even worst driver.
b) They are working on support for new kernel or xorg-server.

The a) option is the most likely though.

venky80 · 2009-07-22 22:32:09

kensai wrote:

ATI is taking too long to release a driver this month, usually when they do that is one of two things:
a) They just suck and take too long sometimes to release an even worst driver.
b) They are working on support for new kernel or xorg-server.
The a) option is the most likely though.

so they realese one version every month? meanwhile nvidia is now supporting opengl 3.2 with their new and shiny driver....

thinking about selling my laptop!

db92 · 2009-07-22 23:12:01

okay, i have been in trouble with xorg and fglrx for years.

i posted once in another subcategory of this forum, where i was told something that didnt work but for some reason i never answered back or elaborated, i probably just got tired of getting it ruined all the time.

i just clean-installed arch all the way through. no leftovers from anything and the system is still "virgin"(untouched ;ppppP)

what should i do EXACTLY that would give me most chances of this working?

i am now encouraged because i see that fglrx works for somebody in the long run, so theres gotta be something i can do

my main "symptoms" were that upon installing fglrx and using it with xorg && a xorg.conf, i got a server error 11 no screens found or something like that, and when using hal && hotplugging without any xorg.conf, not even one to specify the driver, i got a chopped up image of what appeared to be my original bios screen( i seriously do not understand how my bios screen can appear out of nowhere) or when i had run gnome before with the open source ati drivers, i then got a chopped up image of gnome when i switched to fglrx.

i cant be the only one here ;pPP

my system has an hd3650 video card and this has been going on for a lot of time.

anyone who needs more info, has any answers or just wants to tell me to gtfo for being arrogant enough to demand exact answers to a specific problem that ive had nonstop for years and im quite pissed already, go ahead ;p

i always tried using the latest versions of catalyst &&// xorg in my attempts, available through repos and aur.

edit: i forgot to mention, that i tried the method someone posted near the middle of page 21, with removing catalyst and catalyst-utils, then installing some pkgs and installing something from aur etc., it didnt work and it gave me the same result as always. i havent tried this with a clean install ever. i do however think that if it was gonna work that way, it would have worked anyway so im not giving it a try again unless you tell me to.

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