The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

venky80 · 2009-07-23 00:34:11

it does not work for i686 are you on arch64?

hunterthomson · 2009-07-23 01:03:17

db92 wrote:

okay, i have been in trouble with xorg and fglrx for years.
i posted once in another subcategory of this forum, where i was told something that didnt work but for some reason i never answered back or elaborated, i probably just got tired of getting it rui.......
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>>>>>>>>>>my system has an hd3650 video card <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<.

Ya dude, I have the same card.
yaourt -S xorg-server-catalyst-maximize-fix
pacman -Rd libgl
yaourt -S catalyst-utils catalyst
put that xorg.conf file I posted one page back in /etc/X11
Then before you try to startx you have to run this command with your card hd3650

sudo aticonfig --acpi-services=off

then startx and all will be well.

note: you can use the normal xorg but you cant use any composite manager with that one.

Last edited by hunterthomson (2009-07-23 08:45:38)

hunterthomson · 2009-07-23 06:30:10

Ok, xorg-server-catalyst-maximize-fix is installed and working well
I have xcompmgr installed and running with no problem.

Cool, I can watch Flash video in full screen again without it freezing every 5 seconds, in like Hulu, revision3.com. Also, flash in window mode uses like ~20% less CPU.

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venky80 · 2009-07-23 06:45:21

does this make catalyst work for i686?

hunterthomson · 2009-07-23 06:56:48

venky80 wrote:

does this make catalyst work for i686?

give it a shot. I have no idea why the catalyst doesn't work for i686 so I can't say if it will work or not.

db92 · 2009-07-23 11:14:20

damn, i have i686.

i mean, theres tons of other incompatibilities with the 64 version i dont think it will be worth the hassle.

except if im missing something and i can use everything 32 bit with 64 version etc., dunno im not really experienced with this.

im still just gonna try it on i686 and if it doesnt work, ill try the 64 version

db92 · 2009-07-23 12:41:20

okay, i tried it.

at first i didnt even have xorg installed and i went ahead to install the fix, its obvious it didnt work :pppP

i then removed the fix, removed catalyst && utils, and installed xorg group and then did the above procedure.

when using the xorg.conf you provided, the x server "ran", but i got a message from my monitor "1440x900 60hz not optimum mode" or something along these lines

i then tried without any xorg.conf, in which case i got something worse than my average scrambled bios screenshot and then the pc closed on its own and the power on button was non responsive

it then booted a few seconds later on its own and its obvious its not about to "work" if i do the exact same thing :pPP
any ideas?

mahan_h · 2009-07-23 15:45:46

My lousy Radeon X300 work fairly good in Ubuntu jaunty but the thing is that OpenGL is a dream here...

kensai · 2009-07-23 18:37:36

New driver is released 9.7, and my bet still stands correct, they did absolutely nothing to the driver, they worked 0 hours on improving the damn thing. They are the single most inept company in the history of hardware by now. They can;t get anything right and will never do, I am sick of AMD now for sure, and will never buy AMD again, after my whole life being loyal to their products. I think everyone should do the same, AMD just doesn't care for the user. Look at nvidia how lovely their drivers are, nvidia doesn't need open source drivers, cause their binary blob, just works.

Perry3D · 2009-07-23 18:50:03

Nothing is not right, but very small changes: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_97_linux.pdf

a1ex · 2009-07-23 20:55:22

Hm i686 here. Instant lockup on glxgears using
xorg-server 1.6.2-1
catalyst 9.7-1
kernel26 2.6.30.2-1

So yeah, dont upgrade.
Is it correct that radeonhd / ati works for 2D and Video? Which one is better?

flamelab · 2009-07-23 21:00:45

Try xf86-video-ati, without xorg.conf (if that's possible).

It'll be better than that alien thing called fglrx (or catalyst, whatever)

hunterthomson · 2009-07-23 21:19:29

I prefer the radeonhd. Video is all super choppy and crap when 'I' use the ati diver. Maybe I am just doing something wrong

It has been said before, but I would like someone to tell me One thing that you can do on a 32bit box that can't be done on a 64bit.

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Wintervenom · 2009-07-23 21:37:25

At the time of writing, current thirty-two-bit Firefox offers nothing over sixty-four bit, other than JIT and the Flash plug-in for it is less buggy.

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venky80 · 2009-07-23 22:20:03

a1ex wrote:

Hm i686 here. Instant lockup on glxgears using
xorg-server 1.6.2-1
catalyst 9.7-1
kernel26 2.6.30.2-1
So yeah, dont upgrade.
Is it correct that radeonhd / ati works for 2D and Video? Which one is better?

so you had it all patched the way kensai had it for x86_64?
Anyone tested the the patched catalyst 9.7 with i686?

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kensai · 2009-07-24 01:33:36

I really think i686 is still broken, I am not joking when I say, they did abosolutely nothing to the driver for the 9.7 release.

venky80 · 2009-07-24 01:41:39

kensai wrote:

I really think i686 is still broken, I am not joking when I say, they did abosolutely nothing to the driver for the 9.7 release.

oh I was hoping maybe something in the patch!

hunterthomson · 2009-07-24 01:46:15

Wintervenom wrote:

At the time of writing, current thirty-two-bit Firefox offers nothing over sixty-four bit, other than JIT and the Flash plug-in for it is less buggy.

Ya, flash was fine with kernel 2.6.29 then 2.6.30 it got super bad but now with the patch Xserver all is ok with flash again for me. Not that it makes much of a difference but Arch is using the 64bit adobe flash. I have no idea what people are taking about when they say 64bit is not compatible or is buggy or whatever. It works fantastically no problems at all. In-fact, It works BETTER then 32Bit You can use ALL of your processors capability's. That is why 64Bit was invented. It is Better. If we were talking Wincrap I would say ya use 32 but Linux has had 64bit support forever. Linux64 is vary mature and stable.

Ok, I'll stop ranting now.

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a1ex · 2009-07-24 07:20:16

venky80 wrote:

a1ex wrote:
Hm i686 here. Instant lockup on glxgears…
so you had it all patched the way kensai had it for x86_64?
Anyone tested the the patched catalyst 9.7 with i686?

Well, I use his AUR version, if that is what you mean.

Wintervenom · 2009-07-24 12:31:37

hunterthomson wrote:

I have no idea what people are taking about when they say 64bit is not compatible or is buggy or whatever. It works fantastically no problems at all. ... Linux64 is vary mature and stable. ...

I would like to bet that when this is said, it involves some closed software. Other than that, I agree that sixty-four-bit Linux is very mature and stable.

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Dinth · 2009-07-24 12:32:18

I have problems with Compiz-fusion on my HD2600 (x86_64 system). Ive installed catalyst, informations from last pages of this thread helped my a lot, ive installed compiz-fusion-gtk - here informations from arch wiki helped my, but unfortunately when i start compiz from fusion-icon, no window borders show. I think that emerald cannot run on my ati card, but when i run fusion-icon from console there isnt any error there. All other compiz effects work.

Wintervenom · 2009-07-24 12:37:52

Dinth wrote:

I have problems with Compiz-fusion on my HD2600 (x86_64 system). Ive installed catalyst, informations from last pages of this thread helped my a lot, ive installed compiz-fusion-gtk - here informations from arch wiki helped my, but unfortunately when i start compiz from fusion-icon, no window borders show. I think that emerald cannot run on my ati card, but when i run fusion-icon from console there isnt any error there. All other compiz effects work.

Do you have "Window Decorations" enabeld in the Compiz configuration?

a1ex · 2009-07-24 14:38:00

Is there somebody who has xvideo working with radeonhd or radeon driver? I tried both without success.
Packages from AUR, but maybe I missed something.

handy · 2009-07-24 14:47:55

flamelab wrote:

Try xf86-video-ati, without xorg.conf (if that's possible).
It'll be better than that alien thing called fglrx (or catalyst, whatever)

I'm using xf86-video-ati, with xorg.conf (found here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 70#p589670 ) & as stated in the previously linked to thread, my 2D & Video playback is as good as it has ever been, since running the fglrx/catalyst drivers from when I started with Arch early last year.

The improvement came unexpectedly in a large 300MB+ sized download, (as I hadn't been using Arch since the miserable catalyst 9.6, I'd been using xf86-video-ati instead, which was also very laggy before this) -Syu --aur upgrade a few nights ago, the upgrade had no xf86-video-ati, x.server or kernel in it?

The next nights upgrade had the kernel 26-2.6.30.2-1-x86_64 & only 2 or 3 other packages, none of which undermined my mysteriously new found freedom from AMD/ATi.

I'm on 64bit Arch.
First model alu' 24" iMac
Radeon HD2600 pro

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Azieth · 2009-07-24 15:06:38

Guys have you tried xorg-server-catalyst-maximize-fix from AUR? Damn, thats the best fix ever for ATi (thanks to fedora team). No slow resizing, maximizing and minimizing! Everything is smoother!

I compiled and added it to my repo, feel free to use it:

[apps4u]
Server = http://pkg.dot.customix.org/x86_64

If you have catalyst and catalyst-utils installed, than follow this steps:
pacman -Rd catalyst-utils catalyst
pacman -Sf libgl xorg-server-catalyst-maximize-fix
pacman -Rd libgl
pacman -S catalyst-utils catalyst (if needed, force install it with -Sf option)

Then enjoy!

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