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#1 2009-07-18 23:13:05

venky80
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will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

iam cofused about these projects is arch planning on implementing these?


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#2 2009-07-18 23:25:40

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

Last word I had read was that Devkit will come sooner or later...


PackageKit-what would be the point?  It doesn't even work that good to start with, last time I tried it.

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#3 2009-07-18 23:48:34

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

will there be a pacman backend for packagekit?


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#4 2009-07-19 00:00:43

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

Appears packagekit does have libalpm support: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html

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#5 2009-07-19 00:05:31

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

iphitus wrote:

Appears packagekit does have libalpm support: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html

So are there arch developers who are working for packagekit? How does it have support for pacman? Are there other packagemanagers using alpm?
what about the grey boxes?


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#6 2009-07-19 00:12:41

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

venky80 wrote:
iphitus wrote:

Appears packagekit does have libalpm support: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html

So are there arch developers who are working for packagekit? How does it have support for pacman? Are there other packagemanagers using alpm?
what about the grey boxes?

Shaman works great, is stable and is in the AUR.

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#7 2009-07-19 01:39:12

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

no I was asking in context of packagekit, I know shaman uses alpm


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#8 2009-07-22 17:50:17

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

I've got interested, too. Discovered this by accident big_smile :

$ yaourt -Ss packagekit
aur/gnome-packagekit 2.27.2-1 (75)
    Collection of graphical tools for PackageKit to be used in the GNOME desktop
aur/gnome-packagekit-git 20090329-1 (6)
    Collection of graphical tools for PackageKit to be used in the GNOME desktop
aur/kpackagekit 0.4.1.1-1 (20)
    KDE tools for PackageKit
aur/libpackagekit-qt 0.5.0-1 (23)
    Qt bindings to work with PackageKit
aur/packagekit 0.5.0-1 (109)
    A system designed to make installing and updating software on your computer easier
aur/packagekit-git 20090329-1 (6)
    A system designed to make installing and updating software on your computer easier

Judging by the votes, quite some life is happening... Will anybody in the know please tell more about the tool? I mean, what pacman/yaourt/shaman is lacking with respect to the deviceKit?

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#9 2009-07-23 14:22:23

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

venky80 wrote:
iphitus wrote:

Appears packagekit does have libalpm support: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html

So are there arch developers who are working for packagekit? How does it have support for pacman? Are there other packagemanagers using alpm?
what about the grey boxes?

I'm not an Arch developer, but I'm interested in having PackageKit on my system, so I'm a developer of ALPM backend. smile For now there are many things to improve, but basic operations (like system update or package installation) do work. As usual, testers welcome. smile And if there are interested developers, their contributions will be very appreciated. smile

About the grey boxes - most of these operations are not neccesary to implement. For example, GetDistroUpgrades or InstallSignature were introduced for distros like Fedora or Ubuntu, and are useless in Arch.

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#10 2009-07-23 14:39:41

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

venky80 wrote:

will there be a pacman backend for packagekit?

To my knowledge, frontends adapt to the backend. Not the other way.


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#11 2009-07-23 14:53:48

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

B wrote:
venky80 wrote:

will there be a pacman backend for packagekit?

To my knowledge, frontends adapt to the backend. Not the other way.

PackageKit itself can be considered as frontend, because it uses low-level plugins (backends) to do its work.

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#12 2009-07-23 15:58:33

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

B wrote:
venky80 wrote:

will there be a pacman backend for packagekit?

To my knowledge, frontends adapt to the backend. Not the other way.

Well I think what I meant was will I see packagekit working with pacman, I wansnt intending to say that pacman has to "give in" for packagekit!


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#13 2009-07-23 16:10:33

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

all these *kits are quite crappy in terms of fulfilling promises, thank God (I hope) this is only voluntary, not obligatory change.

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#14 2009-07-23 17:45:42

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

broch wrote:

all these *kits are quite crappy in terms of fulfilling promises, thank God (I hope) this is only voluntary, not obligatory change.

well policykit and consolekit are now totally integrated into kde gnome, so unless you use some other WM/DE you have not choice!


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#15 2009-07-23 19:22:08

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

venky80 wrote:
broch wrote:

all these *kits are quite crappy in terms of fulfilling promises, thank God (I hope) this is only voluntary, not obligatory change.

well policykit and consolekit are now totally integrated into kde gnome, so unless you use some other WM/DE you have not choice!

to use *kits, you need to configure them (unless as Fedora users who claim that they use selinux, but never bothered to configure it, you think that having stuff installed makes it automatically work), not to mention that this is backward security: first make all daemons to run without root privileges. This would be good start.

If I could I would get rid of kits altogether. Look what hapened to windows access control. It is way more fine grained, gives a lot more options and... because of complexicity nobody uses it, not many even know where to look for.

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#16 2009-07-24 09:14:45

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Re: will kde have deviceKit and packagekit?

broch wrote:

all these *kits are quite crappy in terms of fulfilling promises, thank God (I hope) this is only voluntary, not obligatory change.

When you talk about experimental and/or developing project, you can't say that they do not fulfill promises, as there are many things to consider on the way of development, and this can't be done in one day. Look at the NetworkManager - it was indeed crappy, but with every release it was becoming more and more stable and interesting, and now many users (like me smile) use it as a primary tool to manage network. Look at dbus, which was accepted by Arch users with much scepticism, and now it is included in core repo. Such projects like PolicyKit/ConsoleKit/PackageKit have great potential and they can be easily integrated in your DE of choice, so why not use it?

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