HAL and D-bus :: why aren't they here by default

Kooothor · 2009-07-30 10:25:19

Hi,

HAL and D-bus seem to be kind of "mandatory".
D-bus includes the EJECT function ! one has to do pacman -S eject before reboot after an install !
Can't they be on the default install ?
I know kiss and all but eject is like something a lot of ppl will need at one point no ?
And xorg without hal and dbus is just not cool at all.

So, I'm asking, why ?

Dieter@be · 2009-07-30 10:44:53

- dbus and hal are not really a "must". not many people need it. especially boxes who have no X.
- hal is complex software that duplicates a lot of functionality with udev and is confusing for developers
- dbus is a niche product. (i mean technically. it is used by lots of mainstream desktop stuff, but that doesn't mean it's needed)

(this is my personal opinion)

Last edited by Dieter@be (2009-07-30 10:45:53)

Misfit138 · 2009-07-30 12:32:41

Simple, minimalist distro, anyone? ;)

pauldonnelly · 2009-07-30 17:33:25

Kooothor wrote:

I know kiss and all but eject is like something a lot of ppl will need at one point no ?

No?

Trent · 2009-07-30 19:10:44

Kooothor wrote:

D-bus includes the EJECT function ! one has to do pacman -S eject before reboot after an install !

Wait, what? Why?

Kooothor · 2009-07-30 21:55:52

Dieter@be wrote:

- dbus and hal are not really a "must". not many people need it. especially boxes who have no X.
- hal is complex software that duplicates a lot of functionality with udev and is confusing for developers
- dbus is a niche product. (i mean technically. it is used by lots of mainstream desktop stuff, but that doesn't mean it's needed)

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay

Xyne · 2009-07-30 22:17:28

I have an advanced optical drive which includes a button to eject the disc. As I do not have a robot to remove the disc once it is ejected, I am already required to do this manually, thus there is only minimal additional movement involved in pressing this button. Besides, if I had a robot to remove the disc, I would expect to be able to program it to press the button itself.

ngoonee · 2009-07-30 22:51:25

Isn't HAL going to be deprecated in favour of udev?

SamC · 2009-07-30 22:55:44

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that "eject" has nothing to do with dbus. Hal requires it, but that's all.

ugkbunb · 2009-07-31 05:53:39

ngoonee wrote:

Isn't HAL going to be deprecated in favour of udev?

yup and devicekit

bangkok_manouel · 2009-07-31 08:09:04

$ pacman -Qi eject | grep Depends
Depends On : glibc

JGC · 2009-07-31 18:52:19

Devicekit is deprecated already, it's replaced by udev. I think our udev is a bit outdated, so we still have devicekit for now.

rwd · 2009-07-31 21:00:14

ugkbunb wrote:

ngoonee wrote:
Isn't HAL going to be deprecated in favour of udev?
yup and devicekit

How can HAL replace udev? They do two different things afaik.

Mr.Elendig · 2009-07-31 21:38:10

rwd wrote:

ugkbunb wrote:
ngoonee wrote:
Isn't HAL going to be deprecated in favour of udev?
yup and devicekit
How can HAL replace udev? They do two different things afaik.

You read that the wrong way around.

rwd · 2009-07-31 21:53:32

Mr.Elendig wrote:

rwd wrote:
ugkbunb wrote:
yup and devicekit
How can HAL replace udev? They do two different things afaik.
You read that the wrong way around.

You are right. But still their functionalities don't overlap right now so I wonder how can one supersede the other. Do you have a source for this?

Profjim · 2009-07-31 22:05:23

rwd wrote:

Do you have a source for this?

More on this here, including some links: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=553451

R00KIE · 2009-08-01 21:29:54

Xyne wrote:

I have an advanced optical drive which includes a button to eject the disc. As I do not have a robot to remove the disc once it is ejected, I am already required to do this manually, thus there is only minimal additional movement involved in pressing this button. Besides, if I had a robot to remove the disc, I would expect to be able to program it to press the button itself.

Hahahaha (gasp for some air) hahahahah (cough and gast for more air) hahahhahaha.

I love these forums Nice answer

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