uzbl. A browser that adheres to the unix philosophy.

Peasantoid · 2009-09-02 10:35:58

Dieter@be wrote:

"web" implies http. and http is not even needed in this case. What you're looking for already exists: e-mail and mailing list software. or usenet

Thought someone would say that. The problem is that mailing lists have the limitations of the mail system. It just isn't well-suited to something like a forum, where the protocol should be tailored to the problem at hand. You wouldn't use HTTP for chat, would you? (Well, if you're an idiot you might, but you aren't.) That's why there are different protocols. Granted, some of them duplicate functionality, but most of those are proprietary so we don't give a crap now do we?

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Dieter@be · 2009-09-02 10:45:59

Peasantoid wrote:

Dieter@be wrote:
"web" implies http. and http is not even needed in this case. What you're looking for already exists: e-mail and mailing list software. or usenet
Thought someone would say that. The problem is that mailing lists have the limitations of the mail system. It just isn't well-suited to something like a forum, where the protocol should be tailored to the problem at hand. You wouldn't use HTTP for chat, would you? (Well, if you're an idiot you might, but you aren't.) That's why there are different protocols. Granted, some of them duplicate functionality, but most of those are proprietary so we don't give a crap now do we?

Usenet then... I personally use online forums in a ML-like way (i subscribe on topics i like and respond when I see mails i want to reply to). Http indeed doesn't look like the most effective protocol for chat. I don't really see your point.

Peasantoid · 2009-09-02 10:51:38

Dieter@be wrote:

Http indeed doesn't look like the most effective protocol for chat. I don't really see your point.

Aaaarrrgh.

THe HTTP/chat thing was an example. My point was that you should use the right protocol for the task at hand.

Dieter@be · 2009-09-02 10:54:06

Peasantoid wrote:

THe HTTP/chat thing was an example. My point was that you should use the right protocol for the task at hand.

okay good we agree then. back on topic now

brisbin33 · 2009-09-02 18:53:54

can i ask a dumb question? why does uzbl spawn a bunch of /usr/lib/openoffice stuff? soffice.bin and nsplugin specifically; i don't /care/ per say, but i'd like to know why.

thanks.

Dieter@be · 2009-09-03 08:24:58

brisbin33 wrote:

can i ask a dumb question? why does uzbl spawn a bunch of /usr/lib/openoffice stuff? soffice.bin and nsplugin specifically; i don't /care/ per say, but i'd like to know why.
thanks.

you sure about that? i have never noticed that. nsplugin maybe because of flash, but openoffice?

brisbin33 · 2009-09-03 13:45:29

http://pbrisbin.com:8080/shared/uzbl_htop.png

you can see uzbl spawns /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/program/nsplugin

and below that, the forked soffice.bin process i can't explain but i think it starts when i open uzbl. i'll do some more targeted testing this weekend and report back. odd...

Stalafin · 2009-09-03 18:32:29

So I have configured uzbl and I am using Jelly's follow_NumbersTab script to open links in new tabs. Unfortunately, this is not working. A window opens, but then it is getting closed right away with this error message: ** (uzbl:9214): WARNING **: init_fifo: can't create /tmp/uzbl_fifo_27263008: file exists

What can I do? The script can be found here:
http://github.com/jelly/dotfiles/tree/9 … bl/scripts

Dieter@be · 2009-09-03 19:57:39

Stalafin wrote:

So I have configured uzbl and I am using Jelly's follow_NumbersTab script to open links in new tabs. Unfortunately, this is not working. A window opens, but then it is getting closed right away with this error message: ** (uzbl:9214): WARNING **: init_fifo: can't create /tmp/uzbl_fifo_27263008: file exists
What can I do? The script can be found here:
http://github.com/jelly/dotfiles/tree/9 … bl/scripts

stray fifo/socket files are caused by uzbl instances who have crashed or were sigkilled. remove the file manually and hope it doesn't die anymore (or patch our bugs ;-))

Stalafin · 2009-09-03 22:49:09

Dieter@be wrote:

Stalafin wrote:
So I have configured uzbl and I am using Jelly's follow_NumbersTab script to open links in new tabs. Unfortunately, this is not working. A window opens, but then it is getting closed right away with this error message: ** (uzbl:9214): WARNING **: init_fifo: can't create /tmp/uzbl_fifo_27263008: file exists
What can I do? The script can be found here:
http://github.com/jelly/dotfiles/tree/9 … bl/scripts
stray fifo/socket files are caused by uzbl instances who have crashed or were sigkilled. remove the file manually and hope it doesn't die anymore (or patch our bugs ;-))

Yeah, I removed those files and tried the whole thing once again. No luck - a Window is opened, it looks as if something is loading and then the thing simply dies (window gets closed, only original uzbl is remaining, and I get a similar error output as above).

Just wondering if anybody else had an issue like that usign follow_NumbersTab.js

brisbin33 · 2009-09-04 00:07:34

Dieter,

I opened uzbl and it didn't spawn anything, as soon as i opened bbs.archlinux.org i saw this in htop:

http://pbrisbin.com:8080/screenshots/uz … 032005.png

any ideas?

Dieter@be · 2009-09-04 06:55:21

brisbin33 wrote:

Dieter,
I opened uzbl and it didn't spawn anything, as soon as i opened bbs.archlinux.org i saw this in htop:
http://pbrisbin.com:8080/screenshots/uz … 032005.png
any ideas?

No. No mention of 'nsplugin' or 'soffice' in the source code (incl sample stuff) either. you're sure you haven't been playing with download handlers and the likes?

wankel · 2009-09-04 07:14:25

Im curious if the gmail attachment issue was fixed or not? I used this browser a few weeks ago and was unable to download attachments from gmail.

N30N · 2009-09-04 10:40:24

wankel wrote:

Im curious if the gmail attachment issue was fixed or not? I used this browser a few weeks ago and was unable to download attachments from gmail.

You have to configure your download_handler to load the cookies from your cookie_handler. There's a example on the wiki.

brisbin33 · 2009-09-04 13:17:08

Dieter@be wrote:

brisbin33 wrote:
Dieter,
I opened uzbl and it didn't spawn anything, as soon as i opened bbs.archlinux.org i saw this in htop:
http://pbrisbin.com:8080/screenshots/uz … 032005.png
any ideas?
No. No mention of 'nsplugin' or 'soffice' in the source code (incl sample stuff) either. you're sure you haven't been playing with download handlers and the likes?

hrm, the only scripts i use are my download script (you've seen it, no soffice in there) and my own load_{bookmarks,history}.sh which simply change the dmenu options. plus, simply opening the bbs shouldn't trigger anything like that right? everything else is stock.

very odd, i'll play around more this weekend.

skottish · 2009-09-04 22:46:17

brisbin33,

OpenOffice ships with a Firefox plug-in for viewing documents. It's enabled through the OpenOffice menus. I'm guessing that it's turned on:

Options--> Internet--> Mozilla Plug-in

scv5 · 2009-09-05 15:34:11

it took me a bit to get around to trying this out, but now i'm really glad I did. This fits beautifully in wmii Other than a couple of visual problems with buttons and text boxes, it works great.

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Dieter@be · 2009-09-05 16:21:45

scv5 wrote:

it took me a bit to get around to trying this out, but now i'm really glad I did. This fits beautifully in wmii Other than a couple of visual problems with buttons and text boxes, it works great.

really? I'm a wmii user myself and by using uzbl I'm more irritated about some wmii deficiencies.
examples:
- in stacked mode, you can have window titles both at the top and the bottom of the screen. this is inconvenient for me (I want them all at the top)
- you cannot force wmii to not focus new windows. so if you click on links to open in new windows, wmii focuses them.

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ataraxia · 2009-09-05 22:28:39

So, I see we're on slashdot, including a link to this thread... Any bets as to how well our forums hold up to the /. effect?

buttons · 2009-09-05 22:34:49

ataraxia wrote:

So, I see we're on slashdot, including a link to this thread... Any bets as to how well our forums hold up to the /. effect?

So far better than the blog they also linked for getting it set up on ubuntu, which is completely squashed.

Dieter@be · 2009-09-05 22:40:08

ataraxia wrote:

So, I see we're on slashdot, including a link to this thread... Any bets as to how well our forums hold up to the /. effect?

archlinux.org

[dieter@gerolde ~]$ uptime
18:38:40 up 6 days,  2:50,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00

uzbl.org

[nitti]$ uptime
15:38:25 up 60 days, 48 min,  3 users,  load average: 70.55, 78.55, 58.04

and yeah. poor ubuntu blog.
I'm gonna see if i can make the 'markdown->html' part that we do now on each http request cached

SpeedVin · 2009-09-06 09:01:59

Hello again.
I have future request for uzbl.
I must go to ftp pages and when I go to it I have Error:

Operation Deineded

Is there any solution for that?

mini · 2009-09-06 09:13:22

The uzbl browser works correctly under kde4, but under gnome I got en error

$ uzbl
GThread-ERROR **: Trying to recursivly lock a mutex at 'unknown', previously locked at 'unknown'

Onyros · 2009-09-06 14:58:10

uzbl is... brilliant! I had tried when it first came out, but didn't have much time to tinker and try it out properly (and help, any way I could). It really went the right direction, and it fits in, oh so nicely with DWM

I sense there'll soon be a change in the config file syntax, or did I get the wrong impression? I've completely tweaked it to my liking, the possibilities are enormous!

Kudos, Dieter! Great work

Dieter@be · 2009-09-06 15:02:57

Onyros wrote:

uzbl is... brilliant! I had tried when it first came out, but didn't have much time to tinker and try it out properly (and help, any way I could). It really went the right direction, and it fits in, oh so nicely with DWM
I sense there'll soon be a change in the config file syntax, or did I get the wrong impression? I've completely tweaked it to my liking, the possibilities are enormous!
Kudos, Dieter! Great work

Yes, especially handlers will be implemented totally differently. keybindings will be processed differently but the syntax might stay the stame.
don't thank (only) me, thank also all people in this list: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/master/AUTHORS

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