uzbl. A browser that adheres to the unix philosophy.

ataraxia · 2009-09-06 23:27:23

Are the everyday users of uzbl running with the 1.1.10 webkitgtk build from extra, or the 1.1.13 build from AUR that also depends on unstable versions of libsoup and glib2? For those who are using the newer version, is it any more stable, or better performing, than the older one? Webkitgtk is the number one reason why I'm not running uzbl instead of Firefox today.

Peasantoid · 2009-09-07 02:20:48

Just wanted to say I love how uzbl doesn't let Flash embeds steal the keyboard focus.

Stalafin · 2009-09-07 05:29:16

ataraxia wrote:

Are the everyday users of uzbl running with the 1.1.10 webkitgtk build from extra, or the 1.1.13 build from AUR that also depends on unstable versions of libsoup and glib2? For those who are using the newer version, is it any more stable, or better performing, than the older one? Webkitgtk is the number one reason why I'm not running uzbl instead of Firefox today.

Could you please explain what your stability issues are (if I interpret your post correctly)? Because, I have build uzbl with webkitgtk from extra and have the problem of instances of uzbl launched from within uzbl crashing, while I can open dozens of uzbl instances from command line. This is especially strange since uzbl only makes a call to 'uzbl --uri' itself, when opening a new instance from within it.

bernarcher · 2009-09-07 08:06:12

I would like to use uzbl as a local html file viewer. Could this be done? I.e. suppress the automatic adding of http:// before the URI when calling uzbl.

tlvb · 2009-09-07 10:41:31

I tried out uzbl some weeks ago but quickly gave up since I didn't know anything about configuring it, now however I've found the example configs and things are a lot better .
If anyone's interested, I've made a change to the follow_Numbers.js so that instead of numbers, it shows and reacts to the characters on a dvorak home row. (It should be trivial to change into qwerty or any other layout).
http://github.com/tlvb/uzblscripts/tree/master
(I'm very new to javascript, and the solution is a hack nothing more, but I have the beginning of an idea that will make small improvement at least, however a translate function would be ideal. EDIT: nope it didn't work my journey in w3schools lead me to the conclusion that js lacks proper string handling, so currently the ugly replaces stays, but suggestions are welcome.)

Last edited by tlvb (2009-09-07 11:01:47)

mikewu · 2009-09-07 12:53:03

bernarcher wrote:

I would like to use uzbl as a local html file viewer. Could this be done? I.e. suppress the automatic adding of http:// before the URI when calling uzbl.

Sure, just use

file://localhost:/path/to/file.html

Using ~ doesn't work for me, I had to use /home/user in the path.

bernarcher · 2009-09-07 13:10:03

Thanks mikewu! Forgot about localhost (again ).
I'll check this evening how far I get with this.

Edit:
On second thought, there is no "localhost" necessary. "file:///" does this as well.
I must have some type somewhere.
But thanks after all. Seeing land now.

Last edited by bernarcher (2009-09-07 13:21:12)

ataraxia · 2009-09-07 17:30:46

Stalafin wrote:

ataraxia wrote:
Are the everyday users of uzbl running with the 1.1.10 webkitgtk build from extra, or the 1.1.13 build from AUR that also depends on unstable versions of libsoup and glib2? For those who are using the newer version, is it any more stable, or better performing, than the older one? Webkitgtk is the number one reason why I'm not running uzbl instead of Firefox today.
Could you please explain what your stability issues are (if I interpret your post correctly)? Because, I have build uzbl with webkitgtk from extra and have the problem of instances of uzbl launched from within uzbl crashing, while I can open dozens of uzbl instances from command line. This is especially strange since uzbl only makes a call to 'uzbl --uri' itself, when opening a new instance from within it.

I just get random crashes and hangs in any webkit-based browser. Sometimes it will return from the hangs, and sometimes I have to kill it.

Dieter@be · 2009-09-07 17:33:23

ataraxia wrote:

Stalafin wrote:
ataraxia wrote:
Are the everyday users of uzbl running with the 1.1.10 webkitgtk build from extra, or the 1.1.13 build from AUR that also depends on unstable versions of libsoup and glib2? For those who are using the newer version, is it any more stable, or better performing, than the older one? Webkitgtk is the number one reason why I'm not running uzbl instead of Firefox today.
Could you please explain what your stability issues are (if I interpret your post correctly)? Because, I have build uzbl with webkitgtk from extra and have the problem of instances of uzbl launched from within uzbl crashing, while I can open dozens of uzbl instances from command line. This is especially strange since uzbl only makes a call to 'uzbl --uri' itself, when opening a new instance from within it.
I just get random crashes and hangs in any webkit-based browser. Sometimes it will return from the hangs, and sometimes I have to kill it.

That's odd. I also use the normal packages in Arch, no problems here.

SpeedVin · 2009-09-09 15:25:53

ataraxia wrote:

Are the everyday users of uzbl running with the 1.1.10 webkitgtk build from extra, or the 1.1.13 build from AUR that also depends on unstable versions of libsoup and glib2? For those who are using the newer version, is it any more stable, or better performing, than the older one? Webkitgtk is the number one reason why I'm not running uzbl instead of Firefox today.

Hello ataraxia.
I use unstable builds of libsoup and webkit glib2 they are in AUR (I use -git packages glib is dev version not git).
I use becouse in older version I got bug with gif images in browser.
I even Maintrain libsoup-git package in AUR
These build is very stable.
I don't have any crash .

N30N · 2009-09-10 23:57:38

SpeedVin wrote:

I must go to ftp pages and when I go to it I have Error

Just added a protocol_handler to the wiki.

superdav42 · 2009-09-11 01:23:44

Whoa a web browser that works like vi? I didn't know such a thing existed, this is amazing.

Peasantoid · 2009-09-11 02:19:55

superdav42 wrote:

Whoa a web browser that works like vi? I didn't know such a thing existed, this is amazing.

... only if you configure it to be vi-like.

Dieter@be · 2009-09-11 10:44:19

N30N wrote:

SpeedVin wrote:
I must go to ftp pages and when I go to it I have Error
Just added a protocol_handler to the wiki.

We already have the scheme_handler for this.
http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=14

N30N · 2009-09-11 13:13:23

Dieter@be wrote:

N30N wrote:
SpeedVin wrote:
I must go to ftp pages and when I go to it I have Error
Just added a protocol_handler to the wiki.
We already have the scheme_handler for this.
http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=14

Well there are three things to learn from this.

1. I should read the news page more often (a news feed, would be nice).
2. The online readme needs to be kept up to date better (I do check the copy that comes with the source, but haven't updated for a while).
3. Do we really need a scheme_handler? Since it can be added via a script, I think so but others may call bloat.

SpeedVin · 2009-09-11 16:52:06

N30N wrote:

SpeedVin wrote:
I must go to ftp pages and when I go to it I have Error
Just added a protocol_handler to the wiki.

I will try it becouse scheme_handler needs python and I don't have it

Dieter@be · 2009-09-11 17:03:33

N30N wrote:

Dieter@be wrote:
N30N wrote:
Just added a protocol_handler to the wiki.
We already have the scheme_handler for this.
http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=14
Well there are three things to learn from this.
1. I should read the news page more often (a news feed, would be nice).
2. The online readme needs to be kept up to date better (I do check the copy that comes with the source, but haven't updated for a while).
3. Do we really need a scheme_handler? Since it can be added via a script, I think so but others may call bloat.

1) yes you should. and we have a feed. http://www.uzbl.org/atom.xml
2) yes i should update it more often. blame me
3) discuss this with Tom Adams (holizz)

4) to avoid confusing people, maybe add a note that this is similar to scheme_handler, but a JS implementation

smartboyathome · 2009-09-11 17:16:37

Ok, a couple of questions:

1. Is it possible to use arrow keys, page up/page down, and home/end in keybindings? I saw an article stating it wasn't, but it was also a few months old, and there is no "official" information on this that I could find via google.
2. Would it be possible to have a site's favicon show up as the icon on GTK tabs for uzbl_tabbed? Didn't find any info on this either.
3. On sites like http://cafelinux.org/ links are in the format http://cafelinux.org/forum/ instead of http://cafelinux.org/forum/index.php. This seems to break uzbl, as going to http://cafelinux.org/forum/ brings me back to home, forcing me to type in the index.php portion. Is there any way to get it to use index.* by default?

Dieter@be · 2009-09-11 17:23:49

smartboyathome wrote:

Ok, a couple of questions:
1. Is it possible to use arrow keys, page up/page down, and home/end in keybindings? I saw an article stating it wasn't, but it was also a few months old, and there is no "official" information on this that I could find via google.
2. Would it be possible to have a site's favicon show up as the icon on GTK tabs for uzbl_tabbed? Didn't find any info on this either.
3. On sites like http://cafelinux.org/ links are in the format http://cafelinux.org/forum/ instead of http://cafelinux.org/forum/index.php. This seems to break uzbl, as going to http://cafelinux.org/forum/ brings me back to home, forcing me to type in the index.php portion. Is there any way to get it to use index.* by default?

1) not yet. we're working on it.
2) don't know. this works for single uzbl instances: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/favicon, but I don't use uzbl_tabbed
3) when i open 'http://cafelinux.org/forum/' the address doesn't get changed. this is how a browser should behave. a browser should not systematically add '/index.php' to things. if the links are without 'index.php' but the pages are not what you expect, then that's the websites problem. not the browser.

smartboyathome · 2009-09-11 17:52:41

Thanks. One last question, can you use modifier keys such as ctrl+n to open a new tab, ctrl+w to close a new tab, etc? I tried using those in the config, and it doesn't work.

Falstaff · 2009-09-12 01:04:01

Dieter@be wrote:

Falstaff wrote:
Hi guys. Just wanted to point out that the RSS feed of uzbl.org is bloody broken.
1) Can you elaborate? what exactly is wrong?
2) The website code is very simple (uses the phatso framework which is <100 lines or so): http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl-website/tree/master patch welcome!

Hi. It renders like this on Google Reader

Projects based on / inspired by Uzbl
from Uzbl News
Sometimes people disagree on some aspects and start their own project. 
Or they want more, and build something new on top of the existing codebase. 
Here is a list of all uzbl-based/inspired projects I'm aware of: 
 
- <a href="http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">uzbl_tabbed</a>: Python-based wrapper around uzbl (using Xembed) which provides tabs. 
This script is included with uzbl, in the examples directory. 
(started by Tom Adams and currently led by Mason Larobina) 
- <a href="http://gitorious.org/pyweb" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">pyweb</a>: A browser ('framework') in python, inspired by uzbl. 
The main point here is complete integration with python, and hence compromiseless flexibility (if you like python) 
(led by Tom Adams) 
- <a href="http://surf.suckless.org/" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">surf</a>: I think I can best describe it as: 'Surf is to Uzbl what dwm is to wmii.' 
Their codebase is smaller, but if you want to customize/integrate you'll need to hack some C. (suckless.org) 
- <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13537" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">ffuzbl</a>: 
A firefox add-on which brings the look and feel of uzbl to firefox. (but doesn't use uzbl itself) (Azer Koculu) 
- <a href="http://www.haxney.org/2009/08/its-alive.html" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">Ezbl</a>: Probably the youngest of them all; 
this project aims to provide a browser in emacs by embedding uzbl using Xembed. (Daniel Hackney) 
 
I also would like to port uzbl to / package uzbl for the <a href="http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">n900</a>. 
I have a project page (<a href="https://garage.maemo.org/projects/uzbl-mobile/" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">uzbl mobile</a>) but didn't 
find the time to work on it yet. 
 
Dieter 
 
PS: We're currently hacking and refactoring 'events' in uzbl. 
It will be much easier to handle all kinds of events (better then the current handlers) and also we'll be able to improve the keybind system a lot. 
(See <a href="http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-September/000321.html" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">mailing list post</a> for details)

mikewu · 2009-09-12 01:17:54

smartboyathome wrote:

Thanks. One last question, can you use modifier keys such as ctrl+n to open a new tab, ctrl+w to close a new tab, etc? I tried using those in the config, and it doesn't work.

Yes, you can with the same bind command in the config. You have to enter the character as the control code though.
If you use vim, then press ctrl-v then ctrl-n to insert control n. It should appear as ^N. Not sure about the other modifiers though. Iirc, there is a modifier variable in the sample config.

Peasantoid · 2009-09-12 05:44:42

Hey, maybe this has been mentioned before, but why doesn't the example cookie handler (cookies.py) save anything from localhost? It works fine with external sites.

Dieter@be · 2009-09-12 07:50:54

Falstaff wrote:

Dieter@be wrote:
Falstaff wrote:
Hi guys. Just wanted to point out that the RSS feed of uzbl.org is bloody broken.
1) Can you elaborate? what exactly is wrong?
2) The website code is very simple (uses the phatso framework which is <100 lines or so): http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl-website/tree/master patch welcome!
Hi. It renders like this on Google Reader
(..)

unfortunately I don't know much about news feeds. I'll look into it if I find the time, but any help is welcome. like i said the source code is very simple

ataraxia · 2009-09-12 16:05:40

Dieter@be wrote:

Falstaff wrote:
Dieter@be wrote:
1) Can you elaborate? what exactly is wrong?
2) The website code is very simple (uses the phatso framework which is <100 lines or so): http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl-website/tree/master patch welcome!
Hi. It renders like this on Google Reader
(..)
unfortunately I don't know much about news feeds. I'll look into it if I find the time, but any help is welcome. like i said the source code is very simple

It's probably not such a big deal if the feed renders badly. It still makes me aware that there's something new to read, so I just push 'v' and read it from the front page instead.

What I'm saying is, sure fix it if it's easy, but don't waste time better spent on uzbl hacking on the feed.

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