So I tried Awesome today and it's ......

greenfish · 2009-09-15 14:27:56

AWESOME

I'm running lxde on my netbook at work, and for some reason I decided to try out a WM like awesome instead (probably from looking through the lovely artwork section we have on this forum).

And oh my... I had 8 terminals running on my tine 10" screen, ssh my server and other workstations at the same time and barely any lag at all

On my main system (sony vaio laptop) i'm running KDE 4.3, if it wasn't for compiz fusion and it's badass plugins i'd switch to awesome right now!!!!!!

I really dig this community, you really learn new stuff everyday.

Lich · 2009-09-15 14:30:30

Congrats on diving into tiling WM's, but what you listed there as making AwesomeWM so...awesome, si what every tiling window manager does. My advice is to not get caught up in the AwesomeWM hype and try some of the other tilers too..you may find that they are awesome-er

Isengrin · 2009-09-15 14:52:30

Yei. I've been playing with Awesome last days too. Tried xmonad, but liked Awesome a little more.
Welcome to the gang.

Duologic · 2009-09-15 15:00:34

I'm using Awesome for a few months now. I didn't knew tiling managers existed but it was what I was searching for. I've tried to install other tiling window managers but most have a longer learning curve, or depend on a big package that I don't use like Xmonad. Or I just got used to Awesome (and its panel) very quick.
Can any suggest me a tiling window manager that has a smooth but short learning curve?

Lich · 2009-09-15 15:32:50

Duologic wrote:

I'm using Awesome for a few months now. I didn't knew tiling managers existed but it was what I was searching for. I've tried to install other tiling window managers but most have a longer learning curve, or depend on a big package that I don't use like Xmonad. Or I just got used to Awesome (and its panel) very quick.
Can any suggest me a tiling window manager that has a smooth but short learning curve?

I would say WMII. DWM ain't bad either, but a bit too stripped down for my taste(even though I've used it for about a year or so). I'd also suggest Ratpoison but you seem the type that would hate it .
Xmonad is nothing to stay away from just because of the extra few MB it takes to have ghc installed...seriouslly...

tcoffeep · 2009-09-15 16:00:07

@Lich: I am lovin' dwm right now. I went from : gnome->kde->gnome->openbox->fluxbox->openbox->awesome->xmonad->dwm->xmonad->wmii->ratpoison->dwm.

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Baraclese · 2009-09-15 19:23:55

I'm on fluxbox right now, I was a long time xfce user before that. I tried xmonad which was pretty good, but the configuration wasn't so easy to customize for me. So then I tried awesome which was again pretty good, not as good as xmonad but very close and it's easy to configure. I'll probably switch to awesome once I have a larger screen. I very much liked the keyboard only navigation of xmonad which was a tad better than awesome's but awesome can be configured to the same keys. Also I didn't like to bring in the whole haskell stuff which was quite large. - random desktop manager comments off

Aprz · 2009-09-16 09:50:37

tcoffeep wrote:

@Lich: I am lovin' dwm right now. I went from : gnome->kde->gnome->openbox->fluxbox->openbox->awesome->xmonad->dwm->xmonad->wmii->ratpoison->dwm.

Learn from his mistakes and just go straight to dwm. Don't worry about your curiousity or this so called experience thing. He did all the work for you, and now you know that everyone ends up going to dwm.

I went from:
Openbox -> Awesome -> DWM

I would be lying if I said I never used Gnome or KDE, but I used Gnome on a Solaris at school (does that count?) and KDE was on my computer for about 5 minutes before I realized I made a huge mistake. Loved Openbox for three months, loved Awesome for a month, but hated it when I tried compiling it, and then I realized it had so much stuff that I would never even want to use. Read somewhere in Awesome's annotations that it was derived from dwm, tried it, been using it for about a 12 months now (said it in months instead of a year to stress that I am not rounding 1 or 2 months off from a year, but a whole year and probably a few days off).

So DWM... it's the shit. Do it.

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zowki · 2009-09-16 10:35:10

I went from:
KDE -> XFCE -> Dwm -> Ratpoison

The reason why I switched from Dwm to Ratpoison is because I found I never tiled anything and just put urxvt in one workspace and firefox in another. Ratpoison is designed for this usage so I made the switch and never looked back.

keenerd · 2009-09-16 11:47:15

greenfish wrote:

Using a 1970 (you know what I mean) "look" on a modern pc is a waste of money in my opinion. Give me kde and i'm happy.

greenfish wrote:

And oh my... I had 8 terminals running on my tiny 10" screen

Welcome to the 1970's. Glad you saw the light.

Aprz · 2009-09-16 19:45:28

keenerd wrote:

greenfish wrote:
Using a 1970 (you know what I mean) "look" on a modern pc is a waste of money in my opinion. Give me kde and i'm happy.
greenfish wrote:
And oh my... I had 8 terminals running on my tiny 10" screen
Welcome to the 1970's. Glad you saw the light.

Haha, I didn't realize it was him who said that before! Nice.

Anikom15 · 2009-09-16 22:28:49

Ok I want to try a tiling window manager. Gnome is great, but who needs it? It's like Ubuntu, it's just to hold your hand for a while. So I've singled it to Dwm and Wmii, which should I pick?

ataraxia · 2009-09-16 23:04:29

Anikom15 wrote:

Ok I want to try a tiling window manager. Gnome is great, but who needs it? It's like Ubuntu, it's just to hold your hand for a while. So I've singled it to Dwm and Wmii, which should I pick?

Both. They come from the same community, and are similar in some ways. Run both and then decide.

leadghost · 2009-09-17 15:52:30

I like to use openbox w/ the stiler ( http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25038 ) tiling script. It's easy and I still get my openbox goodness.

absolutezero1287 · 2009-09-19 22:47:25

I tried awesome and I liked the look of it but I just couldn't get used to it. Is there an extensive how-to out there? Also, just how much lua do I have to learn to really be able to use awesome to its full potential?

Saint0fCloud · 2009-09-21 00:02:05

I've used awesome for over a year now and I love it. It's incredibly customizable with lua libraries like wicked and shifty. Other than awesome though, the only tiling WMs that I'll touch are scrotwm and dwm both of which are fantastic.

absolutezero1287 wrote:

I tried awesome and I liked the look of it but I just couldn't get used to it. Is there an extensive how-to out there? Also, just how much lua do I have to learn to really be able to use awesome to its full potential?

http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Main_Page, there's a lot of information in the wiki especially all kinds of neat scripts and tricks. As for learning lua, if you really want to understand awesome then spend like an hour learning lua. You don't need to be a master but having a little background info on lua definitely helps in understanding the awesome config file.

greenfish · 2009-09-22 06:28:13

Lich wrote:

Congrats on diving into tiling WM's, but what you listed there as making AwesomeWM so...awesome, si what every tiling window manager does. My advice is to not get caught up in the AwesomeWM hype and try some of the other tilers too..you may find that they are awesome-er

Thank You!

Already ahead of you sir, i've been trying out xmonad and dwm but my main concern is that creating a working config will take quite some time compared to say Awesome. Then again perhaps a more complex config is the way to go if one wishes to have more functions.

@Isengrin

Thank You

greenfish wrote:

Using a 1970 (you know what I mean) "look" on a modern pc is a waste of money in my opinion. Give me kde and i'm happy.
greenfish wrote:
And oh my... I had 8 terminals running on my tiny 10" screen
keenerd wrote: Welcome to the 1970's. Glad you saw the light.

@Aprz

Darn!! Next time I try to hide my posts better But i'm a man enough to admit I was wrong with my 1970 statement. On my main system i'm currently running compiz (standalone wm) with a plugin called Grid which basically enables tilling

But I can now understand why a lot of users decides to use a tilling wm vs a fullblown DE.

Thanks guys

pharcyde · 2009-09-25 20:29:52

I currently use Awesome and I like it but it feels quite bloated for a tiling WM. I'm thinking about switching to Xmonad.

Duologic · 2009-09-27 11:18:30

I've tried Wmii last week, but the dmenu lacks tab-completion for files & directories, that is just a must have!
Awesome handles the dmenu stuff better. Wmii on the other hand has some nice configuration files.

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greenfish · 2009-10-02 21:02:59

This is what I use on my desktop: Tilling (compiz plugin - grid)

Desktop running compiz standalone

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MP2E · 2009-10-02 22:56:30

I don't understand the appeal of tiling window managers, why wouldn't you want the windows to overlap? But perhaps I am entirely missing the point here I may be open to changing to one, but what are the advantages? Why do you like it over a "traditional" WM?
(though tiling WMs probably came first)

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Lich · 2009-10-03 07:10:17

MP2E wrote:

I don't understand the appeal of tiling window managers, why wouldn't you want the windows to overlap? But perhaps I am entirely missing the point here I may be open to changing to one, but what are the advantages? Why do you like it over a "traditional" WM?
(though tiling WMs probably came first)

I started using them for 2 main reasons:
1. I could make a window fullscreen (really fullscreen, no decorations/titlebars/panels)
2. I could have 2 side by side windows when I was programing: a terminal with editor and my documentation. when you work like this and don't have a dualhead setup, you need any pixel that you can spare, so tilers were just perfect. In time I grew to love them, but I use non-tilers sometimes too, depends on the mood. That's the good thing about window managers, if you want to move to a non-tiler, it'll only "cost" you a restart of X (or in Ratpoison's case, C-t,":tmpwm startfluxbox" )

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unideal · 2009-10-03 07:50:34

I tried Musca, and its awesome. Ive never thought using tiling wm, but once you pop you cant stop (:

After all, why would you want to use a traditional WM? How does it matter if the windows overlap or not, since you cant see them anyway
The bad thing Ive found using tiling WM is that you will more and more go to CLI apps instead of GUI ones. And if you need GUI ones, they must be as lightweight as they get (netsurf, mplayer, feh, zathura and I gotta figure out some LIGHT alternative for openoffice writer that ports into .odt)

greenfish · 2009-10-03 09:26:12

MP2E wrote:

I don't understand the appeal of tiling window managers, why wouldn't you want the windows to overlap? But perhaps I am entirely missing the point here I may be open to changing to one, but what are the advantages? Why do you like it over a "traditional" WM?
(though tiling WMs probably came first)

I use awesome on my eeepc and "grid" plugin on my desktop one (compiz standalone), why? Because I prefer having just one monitor instead of a dual screen. With tilling i can so much more with just one window interface, like having 4 terminals open to my setups (server,htpc) and still browse the .net while watching a movie

Tilling is especially useful on an eepc with a tiny 10" screen, you're really utilizing as many pixels/inches you can.

compiz as a standalone wm+grid plugin = perfection

Duologic · 2009-10-04 11:47:02

unideal wrote:

I tried Musca, and its awesome. Ive never thought using tiling wm, but once you pop you cant stop (:
After all, why would you want to use a traditional WM? How does it matter if the windows overlap or not, since you cant see them anyway :P
The bad thing Ive found using tiling WM is that you will more and more go to CLI apps instead of GUI ones. And if you need GUI ones, they must be as lightweight as they get (netsurf, mplayer, feh, zathura and I gotta figure out some LIGHT alternative for openoffice writer that ports into .odt)

A lot of good and fast word processors arround. Try go-oo if you want to stay close to openoffice, otherwise there is Abiword and KWord from respectively Gnome and KDE office. Abiword does it stuff independent though.

greenfish wrote:

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compiz as a standalone wm+grid plugin = perfection :)

Which run dialog or launch panel do you use?

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