Richard Stallman's Setup

zowki · 2010-01-26 19:18:28

Krause wrote:

And people say I'm crazy for running an all-Free (sans the BIOS) system on my netbook.
But you have to respect the man for always upholding his principles. There are few hopeless idealists who actually stick to their ideals, and RMS is one of them.

Correction: He is the only one.

hw-tph · 2010-01-26 19:24:17

toad wrote:

Mind, I still haven't found a way of finding out how much that piece of hardware he is using is...

It's around €300 in Europe (depending on configuration) if you can find it. So it's in the same price class as the early Asus Eee PC models, like my lovely 901.

So, the guy is weird, but that doesn't mean he can't do brilliant stuff from time to time. He's probably done more for the free software movement than Linus Torvalds. Without Stallman, Linux wouldn't be the huge thing that it is now, it would still be a minix-like system using minix utilities.

I too mainly use a 9 inch notebook as my main computer. You get used to it and now I think my Macbook (mostly used by my wife) is huge and cumbersome. I rather use my 901. It works for what I do with it. But the Runcore SSD and memory upgrades help, of course.

whacath · 2010-01-26 19:45:09

hw-tph wrote:

I too mainly use a 9 inch notebook as my main computer. You get used to it and now I think my Macbook (mostly used by my wife) is huge and cumbersome. I rather use my 901. It works for what I do with it. But the Runcore SSD and memory upgrades help, of course.

Yeah agreed. I love my netbook as main computer. Ratpoison is a really "small screen"-friendly wm.

mikesd · 2010-01-26 21:57:28

hw-tph wrote:

So, the guy is weird, but that doesn't mean he can't do brilliant stuff from time to time. He's probably done more for the free software movement than Linus Torvalds. Without Stallman, Linux wouldn't be the huge thing that it is now, it would still be a minix-like system using minix utilities.

In Revolution OS Linus says something like: "Think of Richard Stallman as the philosopher and me as the engineer."

Anikom15 · 2010-01-26 23:18:34

I wish I could have a 100% free software setup, but I'm too poor. . . .

sand_man · 2010-01-26 23:39:20

I wish I could have 100% free software set up too but some free software available is just plain sucky compared to a closed source alternative (nvidia). Sorry but its true. Not that its the developers fault in nvidia's case since they have to reverse engineer, I completely blame nvidia for a lack of a FOSS driver.

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pogeymanz · 2010-01-27 01:30:26

Stallman is the man. And to think that my friends think I'm a zealot just because I don't even have Windows installed...

Hopefully those nouveau drivers firm up soon for my card and html5 kills the need for flash...

zowki · 2010-01-27 01:38:23

pogeymanz wrote:

Stallman is the man. And to think that my friends think I'm a zealot just because I don't even have Windows installed...
Hopefully those nouveau drivers firm up soon for my card and html5 kills the need for flash...

Zealot? My friends think of me as some kinda l33t h4x0r!

Krause · 2010-01-27 02:11:28

pogeymanz wrote:

Stallman is the man. And to think that my friends think I'm a zealot just because I don't even have Windows installed...
Hopefully those nouveau drivers firm up soon for my card and html5 kills the need for flash...

I've got an nvidia card in one of my PCs, and I've always used the nv/nouveau Free drivers (but then again, I don't use anything that requires 3d acceleration). And frankly, the only use I've ever seen for flash is internet video sites like youtube, and that can easily be bypassed by downloading the damn thing to your hard drive and watching it in a normal media player.

Trent · 2010-01-27 02:12:30

Zeist wrote:

Most of the time I do not have an Internet connection. Once or twice or maybe three times a day I connect and transfer mail in and out. Before sending mail, I always review and revise the outgoing messages. That gives me a chance to catch mistakes and faux pas.
Wtf? That is the same as hiding in a cave these days.

Donald Knuth doesn't have an e-mail address, and frankly I don't really blame him. I'm obligated to have one right now because I'm a peon and can't afford to risk my job being eccentric, but maybe I'll try it some day when I have real seniority and my future employer is afraid to fire me.

ngoonee · 2010-01-27 03:13:53

Pierre wrote:

We should thank Stallman that he makes us all feel sane and normal. :-)

This. Pierre is my hero for the day.

mikesd · 2010-01-27 03:26:57

Trent wrote:

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Donald Knuth doesn't have an e-mail address, and frankly I don't really blame him. I'm obligated to have one right now because I'm a peon and can't afford to risk my job being eccentric, but maybe I'll try it some day when I have real seniority and my future employer is afraid to fire me.

I recall reading an article about someone (can't recall who but think they were a fairly well known hacker) who limited there internet usage to an hour a day maximum. They found that without the distraction they were much more productive.

Snakeye · 2010-01-27 04:05:54

The balance is out of wack. We need more stallman's, even with his eccentricity. Too many low life valueless unprincipled selfish backstabbing cut their own mother's throat for a buck scumbags out there these days.

sand_man · 2010-01-27 05:51:14

Trent wrote:

Zeist wrote:
Most of the time I do not have an Internet connection. Once or twice or maybe three times a day I connect and transfer mail in and out. Before sending mail, I always review and revise the outgoing messages. That gives me a chance to catch mistakes and faux pas.
Wtf? That is the same as hiding in a cave these days.
Donald Knuth doesn't have an e-mail address, and frankly I don't really blame him. I'm obligated to have one right now because I'm a peon and can't afford to risk my job being eccentric, but maybe I'll try it some day when I have real seniority and my future employer is afraid to fire me.

Email is so archaic. I hate it also but kind of obligated to use it. Much like I am obligated to use MSN at work (as well as other MS products )

fsckd · 2010-01-27 06:30:01

IsSuE wrote:

gross stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

sHyLoCk wrote:

don't say we didn't warn you!

Yes you did, and I hate you for it.

Peasantoid · 2010-01-27 06:58:15

IsSuE wrote:

gross stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

Whaaaat.

The man is like a filthy god.

3]) · 2010-01-27 14:57:06

Now, where to start.

1)He has quite the laptop, free bios and architecture and even on top of that running well with Gnewsense?
2) Thats a hard to find and hard to get laptop!
3) That candy he snatched between his toes must be quite tasty

To all those nay-sayers when it comes to the internet. Yes, it is useful to have the internet, but then again it is not good to be too dependent on the internet. Sometimes it's good to actually work instead of chat/browse/twitter etc... Internet really drags down productivity when uncontrolled. Just stop using the internet or limit it daily and life will seem so much longer as the days pass by slower. Finally you will notice that a second is quite a time!

However, only using the internet for email and a few other minor things does seem to be quite a step back.
Richard Stallman should try checking out some forums though, would be nice that he communicates with the users a bit more.

I guess one of the several great GODS of Mt.Gnulixian uses Gnewsense, what prestige that distribution must get.

toad · 2010-01-27 15:12:20

Gnewsense is a pretty good distro, actually. Stephen Fry sang its praises some time ago http://www.gnu.org/fry/

Zeist · 2010-01-27 15:24:02

Trent wrote:

Zeist wrote:
Most of the time I do not have an Internet connection. Once or twice or maybe three times a day I connect and transfer mail in and out. Before sending mail, I always review and revise the outgoing messages. That gives me a chance to catch mistakes and faux pas.
Wtf? That is the same as hiding in a cave these days.
Donald Knuth doesn't have an e-mail address, and frankly I don't really blame him. I'm obligated to have one right now because I'm a peon and can't afford to risk my job being eccentric, but maybe I'll try it some day when I have real seniority and my future employer is afraid to fire me.

I find that I am quite dependent on the internet for most of my connection with the outside world. I can easily live completely without a phone and without TV... but internet is much harder.

fsckd · 2010-01-27 16:00:10

3]) wrote:

To all those nay-sayers when it comes to the internet. Yes, it is useful to have the internet, but then again it is not good to be too dependent on the internet. Sometimes it's good to actually work instead of chat/browse/twitter etc... Internet really drags down productivity when uncontrolled. Just stop using the internet or limit it daily and life will seem so much longer as the days pass by slower. Finally you will notice that a second is quite a time!
However, only using the internet for email and a few other minor things does seem to be quite a step back.
Richard Stallman should try checking out some forums though, would be nice that he communicates with the users a bit more.

That is not interesting. This is interesting.

(Sorry, I don't mean to rail against you in particular. The whole "how often does he use the internet" conversation seems prudish to me.)

barzam · 2010-01-27 16:30:30

Ranguvar wrote:

I reference my thoughts on Stallman: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 95#p638395

Totally agree with you. I wish there could be one - just one! - RMS discussion without someone pulling out that toe jam video on Youtube. It's silly and stupid and disgusting and not even funny. He's on our side ffs, we ought to make fun of Ballmer or someone like that.

Misfit138 · 2010-01-27 20:11:04

hw-tph wrote:

....So, the guy is weird, but that doesn't mean he can't do brilliant stuff from time to time. He's probably done more for the free software movement than Linus Torvalds...

Probably??
Linus is responsible for coding less than 1% of the kernel as it exists today. Linus has name recognition, but as far as accomplishments go, there is no comparison between the 2 men.

hw-tph · 2010-01-27 21:23:11

Misfit138 wrote:

Probably??
Linus is responsible for coding less than 1% of the kernel as it exists today. Linus has name recognition, but as far as accomplishments go, there is no comparison between the 2 men.

Linus is the poster boy for the open source movement (and even of the free software movement if you ask some people), and that goes a pretty long way. "Have done more" not only amounts to lines of code but changing people's opinions, and in the latter I think Linus has done wonders. If all we had was RMS the situation would look a whole lot different.

At least that's my point of view.

Oh and a little PS: I really do hope you don't count post-Glen Misfits as the Misfits at all. :-P

Ranguvar · 2010-01-27 21:50:22

Both Stallman and Linus write very little actual code nowadays. LoC isn't even a very accurate measure for the work done by code monkeys, and Stallman and Linus certainly are more than that.

However, they're both kickass programmers I'm sure (though Stallman is likely much more out of practice now).

Back in the day (WAY in the day), Stallman wrote Emacs, the original GNU stuff (including GCC), and more with the help of only a few others originally.
Linus wrote most of the code in the first kernel releases, obviously, and also started Git a while ago (now maintained by someone else).

Now, Stallman focuses on spreading the Free Software message, pushing for change, and generally being the Philosopher-King
Linus writes very little kernel code, but has more influence on the kernel than anything else (obviously). He pushes for changes to happen, and rejects changes he doesn't like. He's a programmer who has other programmers be his fingers and tap out the code

They're both in the best position they could be, and both very different. Let's please not try to do a "LINUS VS RMS!!!" or anything silly

Misfit138 · 2010-01-27 22:59:08

hw-tph wrote:

Misfit138 wrote:
Probably??
Linus is responsible for coding less than 1% of the kernel as it exists today. Linus has name recognition, but as far as accomplishments go, there is no comparison between the 2 men.
Linus is the poster boy for the open source movement (and even of the free software movement if you ask some people), and that goes a pretty long way. "Have done more" not only amounts to lines of code but changing people's opinions, and in the latter I think Linus has done wonders. If all we had was RMS the situation would look a whole lot different.
At least that's my point of view.

Well, perhaps we agree on disagreeing.

Oh and a little PS: I really do hope you don't count post-Glen Misfits as the Misfits at all. :-P

Now, that we agree on!

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