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#1 2010-02-08 21:06:42

bananaoomarang
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nouveau

Hi I was doing some experimenting and it turns out the 2d accel from nouveau is far better than the proprietary driver's. Shame it doesn't have any 3d though. Is this normal?

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#2 2010-02-08 21:15:43

Exitium
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Re: nouveau

nouveau does not support 3d acceleration, so it's normal

Last edited by Exitium (2010-02-08 21:16:00)

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#3 2010-02-08 21:30:57

bananaoomarang
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Re: nouveau

Ok but is it normal for 2d to be better on these drivers than the proprietary drivers?

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#4 2010-02-08 22:33:35

tavianator
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Re: nouveau

Depends on the chipset.  Some say it's better, some say it's worse.  And if you have an nv50 generation card, there is enough 3d support to run compiz; you just need nouveau-dri-git from the AUR.  But it's extremely unstable and I've gotten a couple lockups with it, so be warned.  YMMV.

You can try the 3D without installing it system-wide with

LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/path/to/nouveau-dri-git/pkg/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri glxgears

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#5 2010-02-09 08:06:19

bananaoomarang
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Re: nouveau

I have an nvidia Geforce FX Go5200 which I think is fairly old. I was just experimenting because my 2d accel is pretty bad with the official drivers.

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#6 2010-02-09 16:14:19

shining
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Re: nouveau

Are you sure you installed the right official drivers ? You need the 173xx drivers for your card.


pacman roulette : pacman -S $(pacman -Slq | LANG=C sort -R | head -n $((RANDOM % 10)))

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#7 2010-02-09 16:35:32

bananaoomarang
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Re: nouveau

Yeah I have got them but 2d accel is about 2 times better with nouveau and nv. I have them from nvidias site but have tried them installed by arch. It makes no difference.

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#8 2010-02-09 16:54:29

shining
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Re: nouveau

Can you paste the output of "nvclock -i" ?


pacman roulette : pacman -S $(pacman -Slq | LANG=C sort -R | head -n $((RANDOM % 10)))

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#9 2010-02-09 17:27:57

bananaoomarang
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Re: nouveau

-- General info --
Card:           nVidia GeForceFX Go5200 32M/64M
Architecture:   NV34 B1
PCI id:         0x328
GPU clock:      199.125 MHz
Bustype:        AGP

-- Memory info --
Amount:         64 MB
Type:           128 bit DDR
Clock:          405.000 MHz

-- AGP info --
Status:         Enabled
Rate:           4X
AGP rates:      1X 2X 4X
Fast Writes:    Disabled
SBA:            Unsupported

-- VideoBios information --
Version: 04.34.20.63
Signon message: OEM NV34 Test BIOS #B122
Performance level 0: gpu 100MHz/memory 400MHz/100%
Performance level 1: gpu 175MHz/memory 900MHz/100%
Performance level 2: gpu 200MHz/memory 1000MHz/100%

by the way I am now running arch repo drivers

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#10 2010-02-10 20:53:34

bananaoomarang
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Re: nouveau

I enabled fastwrites now but 2d is still boringly slow. Well maybe 2d is just better with nv and nouveau.

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#11 2010-02-10 21:41:13

shining
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Re: nouveau

bananaoomarang wrote:

I enabled fastwrites now but 2d is still boringly slow. Well maybe 2d is just better with nv and nouveau.

Maybe your gpu clock is faster when using nv/nouveau (200mhz) than nvidia if it's running at the lowest level (100mhz) ?


pacman roulette : pacman -S $(pacman -Slq | LANG=C sort -R | head -n $((RANDOM % 10)))

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#12 2010-02-11 08:10:47

bananaoomarang
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Re: nouveau

How would I change that?

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#13 2010-02-15 15:05:29

bananaoomarang
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Re: nouveau

Well I can't compile nouveau-dri-git without installing a bunch of other cutting edge git packeges first so can't try out Gallium 3d. It is sort of usable now judgeing by this

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … &px=Nzk4MQ

but when I tried to install the rest of the dependencies it wanted to remove most of kde so I didn't go ahead.

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#14 2010-02-15 15:06:04

flamelab
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Re: nouveau

bananaoomarang wrote:

Well I can't compile nouveau-dri-git without installing a bunch of other cutting edge git packeges first so can't try out Gallium 3d. It is sort of usable now judgeing by this

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … &px=Nzk4MQ

but when I tried to install the rest of the dependencies it wanted to remove most of kde so I didn't go ahead.

That's not possible.

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#15 2010-02-15 18:40:27

bananaoomarang
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Re: nouveau

I thought not but it did try. However I was using yaourt because of having so many dependencies. It said it was conflicting with the kdemod packages but I can't remember specificaly which ones. I never have been too impressed with yaourt though. Maybe I will try and do some manual building. Arghh dependency hell.

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#16 2010-02-16 02:22:26

thestinger
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Registered: 2010-01-23
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Re: nouveau

bananaoomarang wrote:

How would I change that?

##/etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf

options nvidia NVreg_RegistryDwords="PerfLevelSrc=0x2222"

you can add this to stop the proprietary nvidia driver from lowering the clock speed - there are ways to do it without fully disabling the scaling, but it has never worked for me

Last edited by thestinger (2010-02-16 02:22:42)

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