The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

timong · 2010-02-12 10:34:54

flamelab wrote:

So it's not "acceptable". xf86-video-ati is acceptable, under many conditions.

That's not an option on mobile. catalyst is doing a good job with power saving with my mobile card. And the OSS driver is not supporting the 5xxx series seriously yet. Tho' i'm waiting for that, on mobile it's dubious to use those till it gets proper power saving. Looking at this, for gaming it isnt a serious option either yet: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/? … 8188-32064 I'm looking for the OSS driver, so don't get it wrong. Until then, catalyst is the only acceptable here.

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agapito · 2010-02-12 10:53:54

timong wrote:

agapito wrote:
I only have one problem. With kwin effects on and watching videos when i resize or move smplayer window the image stops!
And which of the modes are you using? GL, XV, SDL?

It happens with all outputs.

Revolt · 2010-02-12 11:04:50

timong wrote:

flamelab wrote:
So it's not "acceptable". xf86-video-ati is acceptable, under many conditions.
That's not an option on mobile. catalyst is doing a good job with power saving with my mobile card. And the OSS driver is not supporting the 5xxx series seriously yet. Tho' i'm waiting for that, on mobile it's dubious to use those till it gets proper power saving. Looking at this, for gaming it isnt a serious option either yet: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/? … 8188-32064 I'm looking for the OSS driver, so don't get it wrong. Until then, catalyst is the only acceptable here.

xf86-video-ati might not be effective on the powerplay side of things but with the git version I managed to get better battery time than with windows + catalyst powerplay. I can now squeeze 2:10 hours out of a Toshiba A300-1S9 as opposed to 1:30 with the same settings and xf86-video-ati. Never really tried the catalyst package but I don't think it would up the battery time so much as to be worth the hassle of installing it.

The only downside is some occasional image corruption on icons but I can easily live with that if it extends the battery by some extra 40 mins. And probably that can be corrected with some kind of xorg settting.

timong · 2010-02-12 12:01:34

Well, ATM, as the detailed phoronix discussion talks about r800 chip support being started, looks like the OSS driver is doubling the Watt usage of the chip compared to Catalyst (even with forceLowPower mode xorg setting thingy) --- tuning the voltage is not yet possible as i've learned. Also r800 chip's OSS driver part is just starting to be implemented - no 2d/3d acceleration yet.
But it's nice to hear that you were actually very successful with using it! I hope the r800 OSS driver part will catch up soon so I can try it even with MESA and correct power consumption - without frying potatos on it.

timong · 2010-02-12 15:44:50

Related to the catalyst driver's h264 video HW (udv2) acceleration bug on Evergreen (r800, hd 5xxx) I've filed a bug in the unofficial repo (its rumored to be checked by ATi devs sometimes ).
Here it is, vote for it or comment if you feel like: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754

Arathis · 2010-02-12 20:25:51

Got a problem while building catalyst (yaourt and AUR tarball with makepkg). I'm getting quite a weird error: http://pastebin.com/m7482e6a
The weird thing is the directory exists and that the ati-installer won't extract the files to the given dir, but to the current one.
Here's the ls output after ati-installer extraction: http://pastebin.com/m23d4c2b1

Vi0L0 · 2010-02-12 21:58:28

Arathis wrote:

Got a problem while building catalyst (yaourt and AUR tarball with makepkg). I'm getting quite a weird error: http://pastebin.com/m7482e6a
The weird thing is the directory exists and that the ati-installer won't extract the files to the given dir, but to the current one.
Here's the ls output after ati-installer extraction: http://pastebin.com/m23d4c2b1

Looks like your makepkg freaked out . Have you tried this without yaourt? Just download tarball from page, extract it, cd it, makepkg it, then as root pacman -U it. Or you have did it and ive missunderstood (but then what yaourt for?)? If the problem still exists maybe try to change every occurance of ${srcdir} in PKGBUILD with direct path to 'src' directory of catalyst.

Edit: or just copy extracted files to 'archive_files' directory
I really have no idea why its not extracting files to archive_files dir... looks like your makepkg just missed it .

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Arathis · 2010-02-13 20:38:06

Thanks, changing all $srcdir made it. still got the errors, but it compiled and installed after all. Only problems I have now are
- X crash when plugging in hdmi cable. running an unsatisfactory dualview via defining two monitors etc in xorg.conf now two prevent that, but have to reboot to get my external monitor working.
- although powerplay is on my cpu temperature seems to be stuck around 60°C as with radeon/radeonhd before. (sadly I can't directly messure my gpu temperature).
- xrandr won't recognize the hdmi output anymore. it just says laptop monitor is there, but nothing else is connected.

seems I can go back to radeon. even if it is slower it works better alltogether

card is an mobility radeon hd 3650 (RV65).

hunterthomson · 2010-02-13 23:28:38

Ok, ok, the nivida driver is way better then Catalyst. It also seems that not all flash videos are bad. Like jupiterbroadcasting videos run vary well. I'm looking at CPU and all 8 cores are getting evenly loaded. I get the same nice behavior with revition3 videos. This other web site I got to only loads 2 cores and so it is not really watchable 2fps.

Catalyst has much better VT support. Though the nividia can run the VT at full 1920x1080 which is vary nice. That makes a GNUscreen session split in half & vertically have vary nice geometry. However, the nividia driver can't handle gpm VT mouse action. General performance in VT is super bad with nividia driver.
(However, maybe I have something set up wrong... I'll look into it)

As far as Gaming is concerned. Ya both Catalyst and nVidia work vary well. No problem with 3D on the proprietary drivers. The problem is that 2D just sucks bad with both Catalyst and nVidia. As you know, most of the time I am in a 2D desktop watching 2D videos or in a VT. So, most of the time I get super crappy performance form proprietary video drivers.

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But ya, I am being overly critical. Both Catalyst and nVidia are vary usable drivers. They just have some quirks that piss me off. Also, ya Proprietary Video driver running Proprietary Flash Video is a double whammy. The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing and nether dose anyone ells. That is why it sucks so much.

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Infin1ty · 2010-02-14 17:14:43

well, no news, didn't have enough time over the weekend.
but it should be easy to recompile it, i will run a virtual machine with arch and use some old mirror, then compile xorg 1.6.5 over there, it should work and will save some time.

now i just need to find some time

Apollo Costa · 2010-02-16 16:44:21

Here a new Beta is out http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pa … D5400.aspx . But i can't find any changelog....

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flamelab · 2010-02-16 16:46:25

hunterthomson wrote:

Ok, ok, the nivida driver is way better then Catalyst. It also seems that not all flash videos are bad. Like jupiterbroadcasting videos run vary well. I'm looking at CPU and all 8 cores are getting evenly loaded. I get the same nice behavior with revition3 videos. This other web site I got to only loads 2 cores and so it is not really watchable 2fps.
Catalyst has much better VT support. Though the nividia can run the VT at full 1920x1080 which is vary nice. That makes a GNUscreen session split in half & vertically have vary nice geometry. However, the nividia driver can't handle gpm VT mouse action. General performance in VT is super bad with nividia driver.
(However, maybe I have something set up wrong... I'll look into it)
As far as Gaming is concerned. Ya both Catalyst and nVidia work vary well. No problem with 3D on the proprietary drivers. The problem is that 2D just sucks bad with both Catalyst and nVidia. As you know, most of the time I am in a 2D desktop watching 2D videos or in a VT. So, most of the time I get super crappy performance form proprietary video drivers.
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But ya, I am being overly critical. Both Catalyst and nVidia are vary usable drivers. They just have some quirks that piss me off. Also, ya Proprietary Video driver running Proprietary Flash Video is a double whammy. The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing and nether dose anyone ells. That is why it sucks so much.

2D on Nvidia drivers is **excellent**. Let away the very good Xrender support lately, which is actually accelerated by the driver.

Catalyst is not usable at all, in contrary to Nvidia binary.

timong · 2010-02-16 19:51:45

flamelab wrote:

2D on Nvidia drivers is **excellent**. Let away the very good Xrender support lately, which is actually accelerated by the driver.
Catalyst is not usable at all, in contrary to Nvidia binary.

Well, as far as I can tell, from my point of view, Catalyst is certainly usable. More exactly the only usable aside Vesa (for my 5650). This is kinda repetitive what you tell about it. While clearly it's a better scenario to have an Nvidia card for linux, that's exaggeration what you are telling. Nomen est Omen?

I will try to check the beta driver Apollo. No idea yet what's its changes.

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flamelab · 2010-02-16 20:56:22

Timong, when I see this

Catalyst is certainly usable.

I say "Ignorance is bliss". And that's, definitelly, not repetitive.

timong · 2010-02-16 21:04:48

flamelab wrote:

Timong, when I see this
Catalyst is certainly usable.
I say "Ignorance is bliss". And that's, definitelly, not repetitive.

I've been using Linux with nvidia for years, intel for years and catalyst drivers for months, even tried opensource driver when ati 9600xts were counted as powerful cards - it wasn't today.

For how long have you been using catalyst with 5xxx cards? If no time - ignorance is yours in this matter. So I say please stop your fanboyism for me, if not for yourself. Thanks.

timong · 2010-02-16 21:50:02

Vi0L0 wrote:

AUR's catalyst 'I will do math' 10.1 should now support 2.6.33 kernel
Edit: tested on 2.6.33-rc6 hd4850 x86_64

Successfully tested with 2.6.33-rc8, hd5650m x86_64. Thanks Vi0L0 again.

Tested with the beta linked by Apollo Costa. Works fine (3d,suspend/resume) (there's a Testing use only' icon in the corner tho', which can be removed with a script like this:

#!/bin/sh
DRIVER=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
for x in $(objdump -d $DRIVER|awk '/call/&&/EnableLogo/{print "\\x"$2"\\x"$3"\\x"$4"\\x"$5"\\x"$6
}'); do
 echo found $x
 sed -i "s/$x/\x90\x90\x90\x90\x90/g" $DRIVER
)

I'm not sure what changes are there,but interestingly if I set powersave screen off after 1 min it switches off the screen for a second, but it turns on again with the black screen. I don't remember exactly if this was the same with the stable release -- is ati patching the no-switch-off bug?

EDIT:
tested the VAAPI/h264 udv2 bug with the beta. No change, so it doesnt fix that.

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ChemBro · 2010-02-17 08:43:01

heise.de (a german computer news site) says, that Catalyst 10.2 will be released today.

heise.de news (german, last sentence)

I hope, they are right.

timong · 2010-02-17 09:05:34

ChemBro wrote:

heise.de (a german computer news site) says, that Catalyst 10.2 will be released today.
heise.de news (german, last sentence)
I hope, they are right.

yeah, it will be today, CatalystMaker tweeted it in mysterious way. Also here http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/02/ … 3_preview/ -" Catalyst 10.2 will be launched today, February 17th. " We just have to wait for the start of 'today' in Canada

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Apollo Costa · 2010-02-17 10:33:03

Have this drive support for xorg-server 1.7?

Vi0L0 · 2010-02-17 13:06:06

Apollo Costa wrote:

Have this drive support for xorg-server 1.7?

I bet not!
And i really wanna to loose this bet .

Mr.Elendig · 2010-02-17 13:29:54

[updated]
Bha Stupid amdchanged the link the second I copied it.

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snack · 2010-02-17 13:31:36

Mr.Elendig wrote:

And here it is.
http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pa … feb17.aspx
Not one word about *nix.

That announcement seems to refer to Windows drivers...

Mr.Elendig · 2010-02-17 13:45:51

First link was a copy/paste error, the second one was changed right before I copied it It linked to a pdf tagged 10.2 linux, but the content was the same as the release note for the windows driver

Vi0L0 · 2010-02-17 13:47:30

Yep, AMD even called a press briefing for its upcoming great Windows drivers

timong · 2010-02-17 15:29:00

Huh, is it out?
Read below...whats that? Real or joke??

catalyst aur comment: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29111

Comment by: Zenfarg on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:13:25 +0000

Please update your's pkgbuild catalyst now works with xorg-server<1.7.5 (=

Arch Linux

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