Clyde - A better libalpm/makepkg wrapper

Kiwi · 2010-03-26 14:22:45

I was not offended, I thought it was funny. But I had to defend myself somehow! In all fairness he does really like Clyde, though, as he should!

They do not always (or even usually) put up a "down for maintenance," usually when it is down it is because that the server is down and it is not actually maintenance, and often there is not another server up that they can redirect the domain to, in my experience anyway.

The ways I thought of were to ping it with http requests, but that could fail because of your end, and parsing downforeveryoneorjustme queries. >.> Though both of those methods would be unreliable and ugly.

ShoeUnited · 2010-03-26 22:31:51

It's no biggie kiwi. I know I'm nub. BUT that doesn't change the Awesome factor of clyde. Hehe. I mean, you and Ghost code for pete's sake. I only created a wiki for the first time yesterday. lol So I'm not offended. The only people who get offended would be idiot newbs.

I'm comfortable in my nubness. ^_^

-Shoe

p.s. -> yay clyde :3

Edit: Also, clyde confirm works fine so far in Sakura.

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Ghost1227 · 2010-03-26 23:00:29

@ShoeUnited - just a quick comment, while this project is both mine and Kiwi's, the VAST majority of the code is his. Between CDM, ALM, and general Arch dev stuff, I haven't had the time to dedicate to much more than occasional bug fixes and tweaks.

ShoeUnited · 2010-03-27 05:13:13

@Ghost1227 Alright. Though I meant your guy's ability to code in a general sense.

-Shoe

simongmzlj · 2010-03-27 05:56:00

Kiwi wrote:

They do not always (or even usually) put up a "down for maintenance," usually when it is down it is because that the server is down and it is not actually maintenance, and often there is not another server up that they can redirect the domain to, in my experience anyway.
The ways I thought of were to ping it with http requests, but that could fail because of your end, and parsing downforeveryoneorjustme queries. >.> Though both of those methods would be unreliable and ugly.

That is completely reasonable, but you don't have to check before hand, just report a failure connecting to aur. Say if you ran clyde -Ss chromium-svn when aur is down. You'd get back nothing. Why not throw up a little warning when the connection fails/timeout instead of being silent?

Isildur · 2010-03-27 17:29:38

I can run clyde -S only as root. But when building AUR packages it's probably not such a good idea to run these scripts as root. yaourt allowed -S for normal users and used sudo for installtion - what is the clyde way?

ijanos · 2010-03-27 17:42:28

Isildur wrote:

I can run clyde -S only as root. But when building AUR packages it's probably not such a good idea to run these scripts as root. yaourt allowed -S for normal users and used sudo for installtion - what is the clyde way?

it was discussed earlier in this topic.
in short: clyde is not a wrapper script like yaourt, the clyde way is to use sudo.

Kiwi · 2010-03-27 17:50:18

To recap: Clyde drops privileges to SUDO_USER environment variable when run with sudo and doing makepkg. There are plans to allow it to drop to a designated user when run with su or as root but they are not extremely high on my todo list atm, right now -Syu --aur, color profiles, and any bugs that pop up, are. Most people have sudo anyway. Yaourt also uses sudo to install packages, but only escalates at the install step. The effect is the same (install as root, build with user) just the methods are different. Imo the Clyde way is better since during long builds I do not have to keep reentering my password after sudo times out and it is more consistent with how Pacman works, anyway.

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Isildur · 2010-03-27 18:33:01

Ah ok so if I rund clyde with sudo it will build packages as normal user and do only the rest with root privileges - correct?

ijanos · 2010-03-27 18:39:01

Isildur wrote:

Ah ok so if I rund clyde with sudo it will build packages as normal user and do only the rest with root privileges - correct?

yep.

Isildur · 2010-03-29 15:31:57

I would like clyde to explicitly warn me when an AUR package is out of date. That can sometimes spare a lot of time searching for bugs.

muunleit · 2010-03-29 16:55:22

Clyde shows the download size of packages while removing.

.clyde -Rs pacman-color
checking dependencies...

Targets (1): pacman-color-3.3.3-1  

Total Download Size:    0,00 MB
Total Installed Size:   0,08 MB

Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] 
(1/1) removing pacman-color                        [-----------------------------------------------] 100%

Is this a bug or a feature?

Kiwi · 2010-03-29 17:13:13

That is partly a bug and partly user weirdness. If you do not have the -s it will not show anything about download size or removed size, but that it shows download size at all with -s a bug I will fix.

And I am working on the display of differing versions and out of date. I have also an as of yet not fully tested, and still a little not as nice as it will be, -Syu --aur done. I can probably polish it up tonight or tomorrow some more.

litemotiv · 2010-03-29 19:17:33

possible bug: when invoking clyde without an active internet connection, it fails (obviously) but doesn't seem to free db.lck again afterwards

Daenyth · 2010-03-29 19:41:20

Already reported on the issue page and fixed I believe. Use the issue tracker for bugs, not the forum

muunleit · 2010-03-29 20:14:29

Thanks Daenyth, I posted the next one to bugs.archuser.com.
But now I see the github is used by more users. Maybe it would be better to use just one bugtracker?!

Kiwi · 2010-03-29 20:32:02

I thought I fixed that as Daenyth said, when did you install/update Clyde last?

And I do not check bugs.archuser very often, use github.

http://github.com/Kiwi/clyde/issues

I get an email when an issues is posted so I see it very quickly.

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Profjim · 2010-03-29 22:58:52

Daenyth wrote:

Kiwi wrote:
- Would this be considered a bug ?
When installing aur's packages from the AUR like: "clyde -S aur/quiteinsane"
Clyde does not recognize (yet) that the beginning "aur/" means the AUR although imo it could do the same as "clyde -S quiteinsane"
Not so much a bug, just a missing feature. I intend to make aur/package work the same as in normal repos to override the one it wants to install, I just have not got to it....
For those who are not aware: If two repos have the same name package, it is possible to install from a specific one by installing it as 'repo/package' instead of 'package'.
There's no need for this at all, since packages in AUR are not allowed to share a name with packages in the official repos. About the only thing it could be used for is to prefer aur over arch-games or archlinunxfr perhaps.

I disagree. I may (and do) have a custom repository whose packages have the same name as AUR packages (usually because I makepkg'd them from AUR, and saved the results in my custom repo). It would sometimes be useful to be able to specify that I want to install (or check info on) an AUR package named X rather than the package in my custom repo named X.

Daenyth · 2010-03-29 23:35:59

Good point, hadn't considered that

Kiwi · 2010-03-30 02:08:31

clyde -Si aur/dupepkg now works btw (and has for a few days), -S aur/dupekpkg does not, though, yet. I will get to it, should not take long once I sit down and try....

muunleit · 2010-03-30 06:33:53

Kiwi wrote:

I thought I fixed that as Daenyth said, when did you install/update Clyde last?
And I do not check bugs.archuser very often, use github.
...

The '-Rs' problem still exists with todays Clyde-build, if you meant me not litemotiv.

I moved my bug-report to github. Maybe the 'Bugs'-button on Clyde's webpage should link to github instead bugs.archuser.com and maybe Ghost1227 should edit his post on page 1 to send people only to github for bug-reports.

Ghost1227 · 2010-03-30 07:27:45

Yay for updates! The clyde homepage just got a major overhaul!

Kiwi · 2010-03-30 10:23:03

I have not touched the -Rs, I meant the crashing when not having a connection to the Internet should have been fixed.

ngoonee · 2010-03-30 10:47:19

When I put a new XferCommand into /etc/clyde.conf it doesn't seem to get used, should it?

Kiwi · 2010-03-30 11:05:50

At the moment that is one of only like two features of Pacman not implemented yet. When I was at the spot I would have written it I did not have something else implemented I needed, iirc. Since then I have implemented the other thing but never made it back to it.

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