ELINKS should be shipped default instead plain LINKS.

martin77 · 2010-03-27 18:47:18

Hi, a little suggestion to devs:

being a Arch newcomer as I am I found elinks an invaluable help for installing and configuring Arch following the Beginner's Guide until the full graphic environment was set. Arch ships default Links which well... em... it have a lot of history and is eLinks parent, sure, but it's rather unusable in today's modern web environment, like programming anything complex in plain assembler.
On the other side, eLinks prove to be an incredible flexible tool for browsing the web, accessing my email, reading the guide and posting in forum, without it I've never do it, at least not without another computer conected to the net to follow instructions.

So my humble suggestion is Arch should be packed default with eLinks, it makes noobs like me life easier at install/post-install configuration time.

Best

wonder · 2010-03-27 18:49:51

submit a feature request on our bugtracker

Allan · 2010-03-27 18:52:01

> pacman -Si links
...
Depends On     : bzip2  zlib  openssl  gpm

> pacman -Si elinks
...
Depends On     : bzip2  expat>=2.0  gpm>=1.20.4  openssl  lua>=5.1.1  libidn  
                 spidermonkey>=1.7.0

Just from that I doubt a switch will happen...

Misfit138 · 2010-03-27 20:21:53

Funny how links depends on gpm. I can never get copy and paste with a mouse to work in links.
Oh, sorry for the OT.

Anikom15 · 2010-03-27 20:57:33

martin77 wrote:

Hi, a little suggestion to devs:
being a Arch newcomer as I am I found elinks an invaluable help for installing and configuring Arch following the Beginner's Guide until the full graphic environment was set. Arch ships default Links which well... em... it have a lot of history and is eLinks parent, sure, but it's rather unusable in today's modern web environment, like programming anything complex in plain assembler.
On the other side, eLinks prove to be an incredible flexible tool for browsing the web, accessing my email, reading the guide and posting in forum, without it I've never do it, at least not without another computer conected to the net to follow instructions.
So my humble suggestion is Arch should be packed default with eLinks, it makes noobs like me life easier at install/post-install configuration time.
Best

Can you elaborate on that?

Profjim · 2010-03-28 02:20:27

Allan wrote:

> pacman -Si links
...
Depends On     : bzip2  zlib  openssl  gpm

> pacman -Si elinks
...
Depends On     : bzip2  expat>=2.0  gpm>=1.20.4  openssl  lua>=5.1.1  libidn  
                 spidermonkey>=1.7.0

Just from that I doubt a switch will happen...

If this is a blocker, most of those dependencies can be turned off with compile-time options.

What would be best would to have the ability to use gpm, ssl, lua, javascript, etc compiled in, but not to have the program require those libraries to exist at runtime (disabling the relevant functionality when it's not). I don't know if that's possible. I'm not optimistic.

Last edited by Profjim (2010-03-28 02:23:57)

keenerd · 2010-03-28 02:30:42

Seems almost reasonable. Elinks will draw in 13 MB of extra deps, which is nothing compared to the deps required for links.

> pacgraph -c -m arch-repo links
Total size: 142MB
44MB perl
32408kB glibc
11952kB coreutils
11128kB db
9176kB ncurses
8112kB openssl
5544kB tzdata
4004kB shadow
3944kB linux-api-headers
3140kB bash
2748kB gcc-libs
2274kB pam
1380kB gmp
1044kB links
928kB readline
604kB acl
412kB gpm
356kB attr
332kB zlib
284kB bzip2
228kB libcap
204kB cracklib
140kB gdbm

> pacgraph -c -m arch-repo elinks
Total size: 155MB
44MB perl
32408kB glibc
11952kB coreutils
11128kB db
9176kB ncurses
8112kB openssl
5544kB tzdata
4004kB shadow
3944kB linux-api-headers
3140kB bash
2964kB spidermonkey
2812kB elinks
2748kB gcc-libs
2332kB texinfo
2274kB pam
1457kB findutils
1380kB gmp
1296kB nspr
1096kB lua
1092kB libidn
928kB readline
604kB acl
508kB expat
412kB gpm
356kB attr
332kB zlib
284kB bzip2
240kB gzip
228kB libcap
204kB cracklib
140kB gdbm

plurt · 2010-03-28 13:56:23

keenerd wrote:

Seems almost reasonable. Elinks will draw in 13 MB of extra deps, which is nothing compared to the deps required for links.

that's 9%

Pierre · 2010-03-28 14:22:22

elinks is not compatible with current zlib.

martin77 · 2010-03-28 21:59:58

hi guys and thank you very much for your attention.

Well, actually, as I tell you, elinks was a corner stone for me for installing Arch because it's a much better version than link (@Anikom15): you can browse web sites with full color, cookie and javascript support, have multiple tabs feature and a wonderful download manager, great!. Links, while providing basic text-based web experience is very primitive when compared to elinks and simple tasks are quite painful while with elinks it's a pleasure.
And I can even check the forum while installing for tips with my videocard driver, that only adds a lot!

Of course you can have a hard -printed- copy of the *excellent* Beginner's Guide but having DHCP connection and elinks that's just a waste of both money and resources.

I don't know almost nothing about core internal functioning of the OS itself neither zlib (@Pierre) so if you say elinks could not be shipped at the moment so it is, but, if you think so people, please consider adding a mention to elinks in the Beginner's Guide just in case anyone could need it - and instructions to download it for noobs =)

Last edited by martin77 (2010-03-28 22:02:08)

martin77 · 2010-03-28 23:20:01

EDIT: please don't laugh too loud but I completely oversaw this

Documentation
The official install guide is conveniently available right on the live system! To access it, change to vc/2 (virtual console #2) with <ALT>+F2, and then invoke /usr/bin/less by typing in the following at the # prompt:
# less /arch/docs/official_installation_guide_en

was because that I headed to online B's Guide. Sorry.

Last edited by martin77 (2010-03-29 00:14:38)

Anikom15 · 2010-03-28 23:47:03

Hahahahaha!!!

Misfit138 · 2010-03-29 00:34:46

martin77 wrote:

EDIT: please don't laugh too loud but I completely oversaw this
Documentation
The official install guide is conveniently available right on the live system! To access it, change to vc/2 (virtual console #2) with <ALT>+F2, and then invoke /usr/bin/less by typing in the following at the # prompt:
# less /arch/docs/official_installation_guide_en
was because that I headed to online B's Guide. Sorry.

That is the official install guide, which is more general in nature and does not cover the procedure of wireless connectivity, adding a DE, configuring sound, etc.

Allan · 2010-03-29 00:38:18

The beginners guide should also be in /arch/docs. But the wiki will be more up to date.

Misfit138 · 2010-03-29 00:53:15

Allan wrote:

The beginners guide should also be in /arch/docs. But the wiki will be more up to date.

As of 2009.08 only the official guide is included on the installation media.

martin77 · 2010-03-29 01:36:13

Misfit138 wrote:

martin77 wrote:
EDIT: please don't laugh too loud but I completely oversaw this
Documentation
The official install guide is conveniently available right on the live system! To access it, change to vc/2 (virtual console #2) with <ALT>+F2, and then invoke /usr/bin/less by typing in the following at the # prompt:
# less /arch/docs/official_installation_guide_en
was because that I headed to online B's Guide. Sorry.
That is the official install guide, which is more general in nature and does not cover the procedure of wireless connectivity, adding a DE, configuring sound, etc.

May be a good idea then to add the B's Guide to the next ISO. I can say my installation was smooth thanks to following step-by-step the Beguinner's Guide.

Allan · 2010-03-29 02:37:37

Misfit138 wrote:

Allan wrote:
The beginners guide should also be in /arch/docs. But the wiki will be more up to date.
As of 2009.08 only the official guide is included on the installation media.

Oh... I was sure it got included at one stage.

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#1 2010-03-27 18:47:18

ELINKS should be shipped default instead plain LINKS.

#2 2010-03-27 18:49:51

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