Upgraded to Xorg1.8

.:B:. · 2010-05-06 07:38:50

tomk wrote:

brianhanna - this thread is about xorg 1.8 from the testing repo. This version of xorg does not use hal, which allows some users to remove or deactivate hal. Users with applications that still depend on hal, like you, obviously cannot do that, as explained already in various earlier posts.
More generally, the use of the testing repo requires more research, vigilance, and overall awareness than the use of the standard Arch repos. If you do not feel like putting in the extra effort, I'd recommend deactivating the testing repo, and waiting for xorg 1.8 to move to extra.

In addition to tomk's wise words, a simple

pacman -Qi

shows you in the blink of an eye which applications still rely on hal (and thus need it started). First thing I did after pulling in the new Xorg from Testing.

Hiato · 2010-05-06 10:38:40

Pulled it from testing not the other day - works flawlessly. I immediately got rid of HAL and my xorg.conf, I pulled the new nvidia drivers and now I couldn't be happier.

dcmo · 2010-05-07 05:16:27

Also upgraded to x1.8, everything perfect, no problems so far.

geoisis · 2010-05-07 09:57:30

same here works fine also, update to xorg1.8 and nvidia drivers from [testing]. the only issue i have is with udev propably, that my ntfs drives are seen in gnome, but when i first try to access them i must put root password to mount them...any tips?

combuster · 2010-05-07 22:45:54

Ok, one thing is not quite clear to me. When i've upgraded from xserver 1.7 to 1.8 from xorg18 repo, I had to do X -configure to create xorg.conf because X wouldn't start otherwise. Now I did a clean install with testing enabled from the start - and i forgot to create xorg.conf - and lookie now, it works without it? Can someone explain this to me

Dehir · 2010-05-08 16:55:03

There is also one thing to consider if xorg 1.8 is updated. I have my self problem with xf86-input-evdev driver which complains version mismatch. Solution is to compile new evdev driver against the new xorg 1.8 but new aur package would be nice and faster solution ?

skottish · 2010-05-08 17:32:06

Dehir wrote:

There is also one thing to consider if xorg 1.8 is updated. I have my self problem with xf86-input-evdev driver which complains version mismatch. Solution is to compile new evdev driver against the new xorg 1.8 but new aur package would be nice and faster solution ?

Upgrade all of testing and that problem goes away.

brianhanna · 2010-05-09 13:46:28

.:B:. wrote:

tomk wrote:
brianhanna - this thread is about xorg 1.8 from the testing repo. This version of xorg does not use hal, which allows some users to remove or deactivate hal. Users with applications that still depend on hal, like you, obviously cannot do that, as explained already in various earlier posts.
More generally, the use of the testing repo requires more research, vigilance, and overall awareness than the use of the standard Arch repos. If you do not feel like putting in the extra effort, I'd recommend deactivating the testing repo, and waiting for xorg 1.8 to move to extra.
In addition to tomk's wise words, a simple
pacman -Qi
shows you in the blink of an eye which applications still rely on hal (and thus need it started). First thing I did after pulling in the new Xorg from Testing.

My apologies. Some of us are still learning.

AmaR_87 · 2010-05-10 08:08:29

Just upgraded to 1.8 with the new nVidia driver, works great. Can't remove hal yet because gnome-vfs, kdelibs and vlc still depended on it.

tomk · 2010-05-10 14:24:35

brianhanna wrote:

My apologies. Some of us are still learning.

Which is precisely why I posted the advice above - the testing repo is NOT recommended for those who are still learning.

praavDa · 2010-05-10 15:43:08

I was trying lots of linux dists before I decided to use Arch. I must say that after installing the xorg1.8 + beta nvidia drivers I can finally say that my Arch is nearly as responsive as my Win XP desktop.

I don't know if this is some kind of placebo effect, but I think that there are less slowdowns while using KDE - everything works faster. Maybe this was the cause of hal - I don't know, but I am glad that I switched.

While installing I had few problems with my touchpad not working - I have got Arch installed on my laptop, Compal FL90. This model has some strange Elantech touchpad installed and I always have problems with it. I can't get horizontal and vertical scroll working but everything else works just great.

tomk wrote:

Which is precisely why I posted the advice above - the testing repo is NOT recommended for those who are still learning.

When learning I like to choose the harder way - after all, that is why I had chosen Arch;)

bwat47 · 2010-05-11 23:37:08

Just upgraded without a hitch. Stupid gvfs still requires hal though.

wonder · 2010-05-11 23:45:09

bwat47 wrote:

Just upgraded without a hitch. Stupid gvfs still requires hal though.

gvfs doesn't require hal since is using udisks. maybe you are referring to gnome-vfs which is a deprecated lib

bwat47 · 2010-05-12 03:35:04

Yeah I am referring to gnome-vfs, which I cant remove cause stuff depends on it. I tried removing it and my gnome panel/metacity didnt load at all when i logged in lol

flamelab · 2010-05-12 03:36:22

bwat47 wrote:

Yeah I am referring to gnome-vfs, which I cant remove cause stuff depends on it. I tried removing it and my gnome panel/metacity didnt load at all when i logged in lol

Did you install gvfs afterwards ?

combuster · 2010-05-12 08:44:36

As I could notice last night, libgnome depends on both, and I wanted to ask why is it still a dep if it's deprecated ?

gofree · 2010-05-12 09:37:13

Maybe a stupid question? All I need to do is enable testing and pacman -Syu? I have an intel graphics. If not, can anybody push me in the right direction? Thanks

ChemBro · 2010-05-12 10:36:27

gofree wrote:

Maybe a stupid question? All I need to do is enable testing and pacman -Syu? I have an intel graphics. If not, can anybody push me in the right direction? Thanks

No, that's all you need to do. At least I did it that way.

falconindy · 2010-05-12 11:18:23

If you enable testing, you should be subscribed to the arch-dev-public mailing list as well.

bwat47 · 2010-05-12 13:25:09

combuster wrote:

As I could notice last night, libgnome depends on both, and I wanted to ask why is it still a dep if it's deprecated ?

Yep thats what pacman -Qi says for me, libgnome depends on both gvfs and gnome-vfs

wonder · 2010-05-12 13:27:24

bwat47 wrote:

Yeah I am referring to gnome-vfs, which I cant remove cause stuff depends on it. I tried removing it and my gnome panel/metacity didnt load at all when i logged in lol

you can't do that!. gnome-panel/metacity and some other apps from gnome still didn't made libgnome deprecated and is _needed_. We hope that gnome 3 will be libgnome free.

Like a side note, you can remove hal from daemons list.

Last edited by wonder (2010-05-12 13:28:33)

bwat47 · 2010-05-12 13:41:38

Sweet with hal removed from the daemons everything's workin fine, pretty much just as good as removing it

geoisis · 2010-05-12 13:45:53

i finally got my disks and ipod to auto mount...but another issue came up my tv-dvb card does not work...hmmm

gofree · 2010-05-12 15:16:59

works great a big thanks to developers

Vegita · 2010-05-14 09:41:48

When it will hit [extra]? I'm waiting for it to try, not even problem if I have to reconf xorg, but I don't like enabling testing

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