how's wine 1.2 for you?

bananaoomarang · 2010-07-19 22:52:22

I haven't been home to test it yet but are there any apps that you have only been able to get to work with the new wine? Or have they broken some things...

I am just curious s it's quite a big release so, has anyone found it to have big improvements over 1.xx in any way?

thanks,

bananaoomarang

ngoonee · 2010-07-19 23:05:17

appdb.winehq.org?

The thing about wine is that we mostly use it for very specific needs. 1.2 has been through a lot of RCs so I doubt there'd be issues with the popular apps (games and office/outlook) that weren't there before the 1.2 series.

That being said, if you use something a bit off-the-wall, you may be screwed. In my case, no problems, what used to work does, and that's all I need.

Runiq · 2010-07-19 23:22:53

With 1.2 I'm finally able to use Graphpad Prism 4 & 5 (need it for my diploma) without problems… That's all I need, so I'm pretty happy with it

sand_man · 2010-07-19 23:40:34

Don't know. I'm still compiling wine-wow64. It kept filling my /tmp partition last night so this morning I ran makepkg manually from my home partition.
Slightly offtopic. Is there an option with pacman and/or clyde to redirect the build directory so that it doesn't fill out my /tmp ?

ngoonee · 2010-07-20 00:22:17

bauerbill, man, bauerbill....

Mine builds from /var/abs/local/aur/* where * is the package name. Plenty of space there.

ubermensch00 · 2010-07-20 19:23:12

I personally run Wine 1.1.44. I have had some strange errors occur with 1.2 rcX. I realize 1.2 was officially released, however I don't see a need to change based on what I use it for. I think your Wine version you use will depend on what you are trying to use it for. There are many bug fixes in it though, so I imagine it has greatly improved since I last tried it at rc3.

ablepharus · 2010-07-20 19:28:39

TrackMania runs much better with wine 1.2

Cr0k · 2010-07-21 10:32:15

Wine 1.2 is just awesome, like every versions here

Misfit138 · 2010-07-21 14:59:34

Not a rant, but Wine has never been predictable, stable nor usable for Photoshop, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Fate, nor any other Win software I have thrown at it for the past 4 years across half a dozen machines.
I keep trying it periodically, but so far have been miserably disappointed.
:(

falconindy · 2010-07-21 15:54:04

Tastes great, less filling.

OpenGL support seems to be improved. Mouse tracking is still abysmal for me.

ngoonee · 2010-07-21 15:56:55

Misfit138 wrote:

Not a rant, but Wine has never been predictable, stable nor usable for Photoshop, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Fate, nor any other Win software I have thrown at it for the past 4 years across half a dozen machines.
I keep trying it periodically, but so far have been miserably disappointed.

appdb.winehq.org

Mostly their efforts are on making sure Office and games work. Some games work better than others (WC3 is almost flawless, just a networking bug, HOMM and Civ which I play are almost flawless as well). Simpler apps work very well (e-sword, utorrent). I do not think later versions of Photoshop will ever work on wine, considering the complexity of the app.

bananaoomarang · 2010-07-21 16:54:52

Misfit138 wrote:

Not a rant, but Wine has never been predictable, stable nor usable for Photoshop, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Fate, nor any other Win software I have thrown at it for the past 4 years across half a dozen machines.
I keep trying it periodically, but so far have been miserably disappointed.

If you really want these games you could try cross over or cedega, both have free trials and I thinm the money goes back into open source development. Oh, and of course you could try running windows in virtual box or qemu.

Misfit138 · 2010-07-21 17:53:53

ngoonee wrote:

Misfit138 wrote:
Not a rant, but Wine has never been predictable, stable nor usable for Photoshop, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Fate, nor any other Win software I have thrown at it for the past 4 years across half a dozen machines.
I keep trying it periodically, but so far have been miserably disappointed.
:(
appdb.winehq.org
Mostly their efforts are on making sure Office and games work. Some games work better than others (WC3 is almost flawless, just a networking bug, HOMM and Civ which I play are almost flawless as well). Simpler apps work very well (e-sword, utorrent). I do not think later versions of Photoshop will ever work on wine, considering the complexity of the app.

Yes, I realize that. Unfortunately, this is one of those situations where the explanation and reasoning behind the failure really do me no good.
Those are the programs I would use wine for. The fact that they have a 'Garbage' rating (or even a Platinum rating) is immaterial. The fact that they don't work is simply the cold and final reality. :(
As I said, I keep trying periodically. I haven't given up hope that I may find some use for wine one day. I've been fiddling with it sporadically since 2006.

Cdh · 2010-07-21 19:23:08

ngoonee wrote:

(WC3 is almost flawless, just a networking bug,

There are still several bugs. For all of them there are patches available for years, but noone cared to integrate them because their "quality" was not good enaugh.
Look at this: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9787
This is still "NEW" since 2007-09-26 with 0.9.46

At the moment I use this PKGBUILD:
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=36759
I modified it to not use pulse patches, not use the saves patch (because it doesn't apply for 1.2) and removed any rc reference.
This gets a fully functional warcraft3.

ngoonee · 2010-07-21 22:55:51

Like I said, just the networking bug. If you take a look at the 'patches' to fix the acceptex problem, its more of a hack. And I gave up using wc3 patches because they started creating other bugs in my apps.

WC3 is lan-only and non-hosting for me, not a big deal

Cdh · 2010-07-22 04:57:10

But the developers apparently know where the problem is and they also know a bad way to fix it since 0.9.46. There is only one explanation why still in 1.2 there has noone created a clean solution: They don't care.
156 votes for now...

ngoonee · 2010-07-22 05:16:34

Yes, they don't care. They're maintaining a huge project, none of them are interested in that particular bug. They're volunteers, and as I've heard the 'proper' solution to that bug would be a pretty big job, one which none of those who can program are interested in.

That's Linux for you. Its not about number of votes, its about having someone who's willing to put the time in to code, and code properly.

bananaoomarang · 2010-07-22 17:31:27

Cdh wrote:

156 votes for now...

the open source world IS NOT a democracy.

skottish · 2010-07-24 03:31:47

Please don't post non-Arch specific questions in the Arch sub-forum.

Misfit138 · 2010-07-30 22:30:53

Update.
I just got Fate and Fate: The Traitor Soul to work with wine. (Still can't get Fate: Undiscovered Realms working yet) This is HUGE.
Wine just went up a notch in my book. After utter disappointment for years, I am pretty psyched to get these games working.

BTW If you are not familiar with this trilogy, and you liked Diablo and Diablo II, I highly recommend you check them out. :)

Soumyadeep · 2010-07-31 04:40:30

falconindy wrote:

Tastes great, less filling.
Mouse tracking is still abysmal for me.

+1, My dad plays chessmaster with it and when trying to grab the pawns with the mouse the pawn at the right is highlighted instead of the actual one.

schen · 2010-07-31 13:59:04

Meh, starcraft 1 runs more slowly for me now. It's still nice to have a native 64-bit version for a change, though.

Milena · 2010-08-01 13:39:54

They greatly improved in my opinion. Many of my games run much, much faster now with less annoyances. On a regular basis i play Modern Warfare 2, Red Alert 3 and Mass Effect 2 in wine. Photoshop CS5 works just fine as well but you have to install it in a VM and copy over, its the installer that's messing it up in wine. What wine needs now is better performance, i have no windows on my pc to compare it but i think the most new games are not faster than 50-60% of native windows fps.

Offtopic: The wine package that landed in the x86_64 repos recently does both 32 and 64 bit now ?

Last edited by Milena (2010-08-01 13:41:16)

karol · 2010-08-01 15:30:08

falconindy wrote:

Tastes great, less filling.
OpenGL support seems to be improved. Mouse tracking is still abysmal for me.

You mean a kind of lag, the mouse doesn't flow smoothly but moves in a series of jerks?
By accident I've found that wine w/ nouveau gives me Starcraft (the original one) w/o the 'slow mouse' syndrome. When I install nvidia-173xx I get all kinds of problems.

falconindy · 2010-08-01 20:11:17

No I mean my high DPI mouse (Logitech Revolution MX) wobbles worse than Michael J. Fox. Its very slight, but very annoying. Resizing windows within the client (an MMO) is an exercise in futility.

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