Kdemod is officially being discontinued as of KDE 4.6

count-corrupt · 2010-08-21 20:17:57

As can be read here

It says

Kdemod wrote:

Any of you following the news here, know it was just a matter of time, until this announcement. Right from the start of the new base, it was known, that KDEmod had to be maintained until the new Chakra was at least as stable. Only then would it be appropriate, and with plenty of notice to KDEmod users, to end support to KDEmod. That time has arrived now, and the team agreed that KDEmod will be fully supported until the release of KDE 4.6. The day of that release will be the end of KDEmod.

I really had my hopes up for it's continuance. It's one of those projects that can make a distribution special. Now it's either Chakra or regular KDE for me. At least I have some time to think about it until KDE 4.6 is released.

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KimTjik · 2010-08-21 20:28:05

Personally I don't care, but it annoys (personal laziness, and not as an opinion about KDEmod and Chakra) me a bit that I'll be forced to remotely switch one Arch install from KDEmod to regular KDE. I don't even know if there's any real difference any more. I wouldn't even be able to tell what this means "Our KDE4 packages are almost vanilla, apart from some little fixes and the occasional small backport here and there".

Anyway good to know.

Skripka · 2010-08-21 20:33:03

count-corrupt wrote:

As can be read here
It says
Kdemod wrote:
Any of you following the news here, know it was just a matter of time, until this announcement. Right from the start of the new base, it was known, that KDEmod had to be maintained until the new Chakra was at least as stable. Only then would it be appropriate, and with plenty of notice to KDEmod users, to end support to KDEmod. That time has arrived now, and the team agreed that KDEmod will be fully supported until the release of KDE 4.6. The day of that release will be the end of KDEmod.
I really had my hopes up for it's continuance. It's one of those projects that can make a distribution special. Now it's either Chakra or regular KDE for me. At least I have some time to think about it until KDE 4.6 is released.

I'd suggest an edit to your thread header, as KDE4.6 will not be released for public consumption until January next year.
Source: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/ … e_Schedule

The thread header as is implies immediacy that isn't there, as KDEMod won't become unsupported for another 4-5 months.

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count-corrupt · 2010-08-21 20:36:18

Skripka wrote:

I'd suggest an edit to your thread header, as KDE4.6 will not be released for public consumption until January next year.
Source: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/ … e_Schedule
The thread header as is implies immediacy that isn't there, as KDEMod won't become unsupported for another 4-5 months.

Done it, good point. Maybe KDE 4 will go the way of KDE 3 and stop at .5. In that case, we'll have KDEMod forever. If they continue to release in decimal increments, they'll have KDE 5 reached before KDE 4 is fully stable anyway.

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heleos · 2010-08-22 03:37:44

When I first heard that KDEmod was going to be discontinued (back in 4.3 or 4.4), i immediately switched to arch kde

Lothium · 2010-08-22 10:06:42

heleos wrote:

When I first heard that KDEmod was going to be discontinued (back in 4.3 or 4.4), i immediately switched to arch kde

I did the same and now I know it was a good step. I used KDEmod for a very long time, so I think its a sad thing.

count-corrupt · 2010-08-22 10:26:03

Right now as it appears, KDEMod not only has 4.5 in their repos, their packages also seem to be the only ones really working as opposed to the Arch packages in testing.

One can't complain about volunteers to do whatever they like, but imo a set of good packages for one already established distribution are way more worth the effort than a whole new distribution. There are enough out there and even though they claim to be special in one or the other regard, in the end they all look the same. And KDEMod definitely contributed to my Arch experience. Extra icons, features that were only announced for the next major version (like taskbar previews, which KDEMod had one major version before Arch Kde) an an overall more snappy and stable feel. Maybe we should fork what KDEMod added as separate Arch packages.

Skripka · 2010-08-22 13:09:18

count-corrupt wrote:

Right now as it appears, KDEMod not only has 4.5 in their repos, their packages also seem to be the only ones really working as opposed to the Arch packages in testing.
One can't complain about volunteers to do whatever they like, but imo a set of good packages for one already established distribution are way more worth the effort than a whole new distribution. There are enough out there and even though they claim to be special in one or the other regard, in the end they all look the same. And KDEMod definitely contributed to my Arch experience. Extra icons, features that were only announced for the next major version (like taskbar previews, which KDEMod had one major version before Arch Kde) an an overall more snappy and stable feel. Maybe we should fork what KDEMod added as separate Arch packages.

KDEMod has KDE4.5 because Intel/ATi chipset users of Arch [Testing] raised hell about graphics problems, and the maintainer/packager has chosen to wait...which KDEMod has these bugs too I should add. KDEMod pushed it out anyway, disabling compositing for ATi/Intel users as a way of sidestepping the problems until fixed so users could get New Shiny. Many users are having problems over there with compositing. KDEMod also didn't even push it out until last week (1-2 weeks late).

Please don't Fork. If you want to get involved get in touch with the KDE packagers/maintainers.

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wonder · 2010-08-22 13:30:31

count-corrupt wrote:

Right now as it appears, KDEMod not only has 4.5 in their repos, their packages also seem to be the only ones really working as opposed to the Arch packages in testing.

lol. sorry you made me laugh.

compared with our userbase, kdemod is nothing and negligible and tend to 0. we have to be sure that is working perfectly for everyone, nvidia/inte//ati/insert here users.

before rushing to spread FUD about arch packages, i want to let you know that TESTING is too a repository that can be used by everyone and GNOME is way better than kde

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count-corrupt · 2010-08-22 13:41:53

wonder wrote:

count-corrupt wrote:
Right now as it appears, KDEMod not only has 4.5 in their repos, their packages also seem to be the only ones really working as opposed to the Arch packages in testing.
lol. sorry you made me laugh.
compared with our userbase, kdemod is nothing and negligible and tend to 0. we have to be sure that is working perfectly for everyone, nvidia/inte//ati/insert here users.
before rushing to spread FUD about arch packages, i want to let you know that TESTING is too a repository that can be used by everyone and GNOME is way better than kde

That was merely an observation. No complaint and no attack at anybody and certainly no offense. From what people report in the KDE 4.5 release thread and my own experience it appears that KDEMod users so far are being more lucky than testing users. My laptop does have an intel card and I didn't experience any problems other than feature regression when I was playing with it after it got pushed to KDEMod. And on my desktop it works rock stable.

wonder · 2010-08-22 14:02:56

if you say that has features regression because of packaging please report it.

hrobeers · 2010-08-22 18:22:11

Skripka wrote:

KDEMod has KDE4.5 because Intel/ATi chipset users of Arch [Testing] raised hell about graphics problems, and the maintainer/packager has chosen to wait...which KDEMod has these bugs too I should add. KDEMod pushed it out anyway, disabling compositing for ATi/Intel users as a way of sidestepping the problems until fixed so users could get New Shiny. Many users are having problems over there with compositing. KDEMod also didn't even push it out until last week (1-2 weeks late).

I have intel graphics but I use kde with openbox as WM. So kde 4.5 from testing will work good for me? I'll test it for sure if it is so.

thanks

Skripka · 2010-08-22 18:52:08

hrobeers wrote:

Skripka wrote:
KDEMod has KDE4.5 because Intel/ATi chipset users of Arch [Testing] raised hell about graphics problems, and the maintainer/packager has chosen to wait...which KDEMod has these bugs too I should add. KDEMod pushed it out anyway, disabling compositing for ATi/Intel users as a way of sidestepping the problems until fixed so users could get New Shiny. Many users are having problems over there with compositing. KDEMod also didn't even push it out until last week (1-2 weeks late).
I have intel graphics but I use kde with openbox as WM. So kde 4.5 from testing will work good for me? I'll test it for sure if it is so.
thanks

I honestly do not know. I'm one of the many Arch [Stable] users waiting for KDE4.5. I only know what I've read and heard.

wonder · 2010-08-22 19:03:46

i don't know if i should cry or laugh. @hrobeers @Skripka what about switching to testing and try it yourself if you are interested about kde 4.5?

TESTING should be as stable as any other repositories now. Help kde be better by testing it instead switching to kdemod because somebody said that is working better(which is a lie)

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Skripka · 2010-08-22 19:07:40

wonder wrote:

i don't know if i should cry or laugh. @hrobeers @Skripka what about switching to testing and try it yourself if you are interested about kde 4.5?
TESTING should be as stable as any other repositories now.

I'd like to, but I need a reliable box for work, with redundancy in case of failure. As is I don't have any spare ports left for more HDDs on my motherboard, and I like to only have one OS per HDD in case of catastrophic drive/MBR/OS failure. Having only one OS per drive also drastically simplifies reinstall of W7 or Arch.

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wonder · 2010-08-22 19:18:17

but you don't need to have a lot of hardrives to test some packages. For kde you only need to backup i think ~/.kde4 and the rest pacman doesn't the job.

backup configs
enable testing
pacman -Syu

i don't like it or has problems, i'm going to report.
disable testing
pacman -Suu
restore backup

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hrobeers · 2010-08-22 19:21:05

Running kde4.5 testing right now (openbox as WM). It works like a charm!!

Konqueror is much better in 4.5 indeed! Will it be able to replace my firefox for good? I hope it will this time.

wonder · 2010-08-22 19:22:43

hrobeers wrote:

Running kde4.5 testing right now (openbox as WM). It works like a charm!!
Konqueror is much better in 4.5 indeed! Will it be able to replace my firefox for good? I hope it will this time.

so in conclusion, the sucky kde from arch is a myth?:P

alexj · 2010-08-22 19:24:43

IMHO I think they're going the wrong way, but it's just my opinion.

hrobeers · 2010-08-22 19:36:45

wonder wrote:

so in conclusion, the sucky kde from arch is a myth?:P

I use the KDE from arch since they split the packages, I have never had any complaints and love how kde is packed here! It is good to leave it in testing if there are a lot of people having problems with it. People who want kde know where to find it

The only thing that I would do, is explain this on the arch frontpage, that kde stays in testing only because that one bug. (but that's just me)

Keep up the good work!

count-corrupt · 2010-08-22 19:52:46

wonder wrote:

count-corrupt wrote:
Right now as it appears, KDEMod not only has 4.5 in their repos, their packages also seem to be the only ones really working as opposed to the Arch packages in testing.
lol. sorry you made me laugh.
compared with our userbase, kdemod is nothing and negligible and tend to 0. we have to be sure that is working perfectly for everyone, nvidia/inte//ati/insert here users.
before rushing to spread FUD about arch packages, i want to let you know that TESTING is too a repository that can be used by everyone and GNOME is way better than kde

Youre overly aggressive here. I quoted my sources and said that my statements were my own observations. And you still call me a lier. Next there'll probably a "respect your mods" kinda post, but you could grant the same privilege to the rest of the community. Have you even tried and compared both? I did. On two machines. And KDEMod does work better for me. At least it did last week, I haven't followed the development in testing since.

litemotiv · 2010-08-22 22:27:57

count-corrupt, merely complaining about Arch packages is not going to get you any karma points, helping the packagers by proper testing and reporting bugs will.

This topic is closed.

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