Arch Install Package?

hokasch · 2010-09-26 20:02:23

karol, I was talking about the need for chrooting and setting up things without the help of the arch installer which makes the approach outlined in the first post impratical imho.

cesura · 2010-09-26 20:03:27

hokasch wrote:

karol, I was talking about the need for chrooting and setting up things without the help of the arch installer which makes the approach outlined in the first post impratical imho.

Which is why a ncurses installer would be created (or something along the lines of that).

karol · 2010-09-26 20:05:17

hokasch wrote:

karol, I was talking about the need for chrooting and setting up things without the help of the arch installer which makes the approach outlined in the first post impratical imho.

I was referring to the post-configuration part you quoted :-)

chris-kun · 2010-09-26 20:10:20

isn't this for people who aren't using arch yet though? maybe you'd want to post this on the ubuntu forums or whatnot and see who'd be interested if it's opinions you're looking for.

cesura · 2010-09-26 20:17:48

chris-kun wrote:

isn't this for people who aren't using arch yet though? maybe you'd want to post this on the ubuntu forums or whatnot and see who'd be interested if it's opinions you're looking for.

Why do you assume there is a secret minority on the Ubuntu forums that is interested in switching to Arch?

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chris-kun · 2010-09-26 20:19:50

you are?

cesura · 2010-09-26 20:23:19

chris-kun wrote:

you are?

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chris-kun wrote:

maybe you'd want to post this on the ubuntu forums or whatnot and see who'd be interested if it's opinions you're looking for.

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chris-kun · 2010-09-26 20:25:03

yes, it was a suggestion based on your post and ideas. I'm not the one trying to prepare for the "sudden influx of new members who can't be bothered to read wiki pages and need an uber-easy installer from an existing distro."

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karol · 2010-09-26 20:25:12

itsbrad212 wrote:

chris-kun wrote:
isn't this for people who aren't using arch yet though? maybe you'd want to post this on the ubuntu forums or whatnot and see who'd be interested if it's opinions you're looking for.
Why do you assume there is a secret minority on the Ubuntu forums that are interested in switching to Arch?

Because there is Arch Subforum there ;P
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=321

chris-kun · 2010-09-26 20:26:57

karol wrote:

itsbrad212 wrote:
chris-kun wrote:
isn't this for people who aren't using arch yet though? maybe you'd want to post this on the ubuntu forums or whatnot and see who'd be interested if it's opinions you're looking for.
Why do you assume there is a secret minority on the Ubuntu forums that are interested in switching to Arch?
Because there is Arch Subforum there ;P
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=321

last post is from 2009... lol

edit: oh they closed it

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karol · 2010-09-26 20:28:31

chris-kun wrote:

karol wrote:
Because there is Arch Subforum there ;P
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=321
last post is from 2009... lol

They died out or are already here <trembles in fear>

chris-kun · 2010-09-26 20:29:04

karol wrote:

...or are already here <trembles in fear>

I feel ya, man..

karol · 2010-09-26 20:34:15

On a more serous note, Chakra seems to be quite user-friendly: nice graphical installer, automagic configuration etc.
Maybe you want to help them out?
They're not 100% Arch anymore, but ...

cesura · 2010-09-26 20:38:19

karol wrote:

On a more serous note, Chakra seems to be quite user-friendly: nice graphical installer, automagic configuration etc.
Maybe you want to help them out?
They're not 100% Arch anymore, but ...

It's not that I'm dead set on making it. I was just looking for what other people thought, and if there was enough positive attention, then I would decide where to go from there (and also to try and confirm my sanity).
Sorry I even asked...

chris-kun · 2010-09-26 20:38:32

they aren't?

karol · 2010-09-26 20:44:38

itsbrad212, you've asked for our opinion, and you've got it.
Maybe you'll find some kindred spirit, so don't lose hope just yet.

cesura · 2010-09-26 22:42:25

karol wrote:

itsbrad212, you've asked for our opinion, and you've got it.
Maybe you'll find some kindred spirit, so don't lose hope just yet.

Of course, that's all I wanted!
However, nothing really that useful (besides me making up my mind) came out of this thread, so therefore I said "Sorry I asked".

Meh usen teh Arch forumz bandwidthz fo notin.

Ari'osika · 2010-09-27 06:03:51

@itsbrad212
For what its worth (if anything haha), I thought your suggestion a good one, I've borked / reinstalled my system enough times that I've wondered if there ever was anything like that, that had been ever done or existed.

Have you done any work towards that or was that just a suggestion?

ngoonee · 2010-09-27 08:00:33

itsbrad212 wrote:

karol wrote:
itsbrad212, you've asked for our opinion, and you've got it.
Maybe you'll find some kindred spirit, so don't lose hope just yet.
Of course, that's all I wanted!
However, nothing really that useful (besides me making up my mind) came out of this thread, so therefore I said "Sorry I asked".
Meh usen teh Arch forumz bandwidthz fo notin.

My opinion is similar to those previously expressed, making Arch easier to install for those who can't be bothered reading the wiki is not a good direction. It is not the underlying goal of Arch to attract more users for the sake of it.

This isn't directly a 'no noobs here' attitude, more of a 'if you want your hand held, go somewhere else' attitude. The installer is very simple already, and Arch offshoots make it even simpler.

Ari'osika wrote:

@itsbrad212
For what its worth (if anything haha), I thought your suggestion a good one, I've borked / reinstalled my system enough times that I've wondered if there ever was anything like that, that had been ever done or existed.
Have you done any work towards that or was that just a suggestion?

If your concern is reinstalling an existing system, do what Allan suggested in the previous page. In fact it would probably be a good idea to keep a regular backup of your installed packages (goes to modify his backup script) for the next reinstall.

karol · 2010-09-27 09:54:13

Ari'osika wrote:

I thought your suggestion a good one, I've borked / reinstalled my system enough times that I've wondered if there ever was anything like that, that had been ever done or existed.

If you keep reinstalling on the same machine (same hardware), you can clone your system, take a snapshot of it all (if you have somewhere to back it up).

Mr.Elendig · 2010-09-27 15:14:29

This quote from the mainpage more or less sums it up.

To summarize: Arch Linux is a versatile, and simple distribution designed to fit the needs of the competent Linux® user.

Competent in this regard does not necesarily mean that you have used GNU/Linux for 10 years and knows everything there is about it. It's more that you are willing to actually read the documentation and think a bit for yourself.

The most competent person I know at work actually lugs the manual for whatever pabx system he is working on atm wtih him in his laptop bag.

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karol · 2010-09-27 19:17:31

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cesura · 2010-09-27 20:24:55

Ari'osika wrote:

@itsbrad212Have you done any work towards that or was that just a suggestion?

Not at the moment. This was soley for discussion purposes.

I just feel that a rolling release distro should post "snapshots" every release in some form of a package. Although Gentoo's stage3 is mainly to save compilation time, I feel that it helps save time/CDs when a new user doesn't want to download an ISO.

Example:
1337LinuxUser discovers Arch and wants to try it out. Because he is a Gentoo user and has a Gentoo CD lying around, he grabs it, boots off of it, and grabs the latest Arch package (whether it be a regular tarball or a pacman package). He extracts/installs it onto a seperate partition. Bam. He now has Arch (after some configuration of course ).

karol · 2010-09-27 20:30:55

itsbrad212 wrote:

Ari'osika wrote:
@itsbrad212Have you done any work towards that or was that just a suggestion?
Not at the moment. This was soley for discussion purposes.
I just feel that a rolling release distro should post "snapshots" every release in some form of a package. Although Gentoo's stage3 is mainly to save compilation time, I feel that it helps save time/CDs when a new user doesn't want to download an ISO.
Example:
1337LinuxUser discovers Arch and wants to try it out. Because he is a Gentoo user and has a Gentoo CD lying around, he grabs it, boots off of it, and grabs the latest Arch package (whether it be a regular tarball or a pacman package). He extracts/installs it onto a seperate partition. Bam. He now has Arch (after some configuration of course ).

Wait wait wait wait wait.

Last time I've checked you were talking about a Grandma, not some 1337LinuxUser.

cesura · 2010-09-27 20:56:26

karol wrote:

itsbrad212 wrote:
Ari'osika wrote:
@itsbrad212Have you done any work towards that or was that just a suggestion?
Not at the moment. This was soley for discussion purposes.
I just feel that a rolling release distro should post "snapshots" every release in some form of a package. Although Gentoo's stage3 is mainly to save compilation time, I feel that it helps save time/CDs when a new user doesn't want to download an ISO.
Example:
1337LinuxUser discovers Arch and wants to try it out. Because he is a Gentoo user and has a Gentoo CD lying around, he grabs it, boots off of it, and grabs the latest Arch package (whether it be a regular tarball or a pacman package). He extracts/installs it onto a seperate partition. Bam. He now has Arch (after some configuration of course ).
Wait wait wait wait wait.
Last time I've checked you were talking about a Grandma, not some 1337LinuxUser.

I was referring to those new users who think they are "1337 Linux Hax0rs" (you know it happens. I even used to be like that...) but in reality have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

Besides, it doesn't have to target only new users. I'm sure there are plenty of people (who are proficient with computers/*nix-like operating systems) that would appreciate something like this. Unfortunately, until re-writable CDs/DVDs completely take over, there will still be people who don't want to download and burn an ISO/USB image. In some cases, doing one of those isn't even an option, due to broken/old/missing optical drives, etc, so this would be one of the options in a situation such as that.

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