Cairo, xcb removal, and experimental features in general.

clu · 2010-09-29 23:05:01

The maintainers had previously included experimental xcb support in cairo and as of the latest version (1.10.0) it has been removed. Some of us (awesome users for the most part) depended on the xcb support and had no expectation that it would suddenly be removed.

It would have been nice to have a heads up that a package upgrade was going to have a fundamental change from the previous version.

When a maintainer by default includes an experimental component of a package then what happened (bugs) should be expected. It's experimental... not guaranteed to work perfectly at all times. So if there was worry that it would ever cause issues, why was it ever included by default in the first place?

Allan · 2010-09-29 23:19:28

There was a heads up. It was announced on arch-dev-public and sat in [testing] for a month.

It was included in the first place as a long time ago it looked like that was the way of the future. Things change...

ngoonee · 2010-09-30 00:06:13

To reiterate, please subscribe to [arch-dev-public]. Can't expect heads-up from anyone if you're not subscribed to the proper mechanism. I knew about this issue (substantial thread in the ML) even though I have no clue what xcb is and about awesome in general.

zebulon · 2010-09-30 09:55:10

You have to install AUR cairo-xcb, which will replace cairo.
Now the problem is: is it "legal" for a community package like awesome to depend on a AUR package ? Or has cairo-xcb to be made available in community.

zebulon · 2010-09-30 10:40:09

I have reported the issue on the bugtracker: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/20996

pressh · 2010-09-30 10:57:21

removed awesome from community, so get it from AUR from now on.

quigybo · 2010-10-01 07:44:21

Allan wrote:

There was a heads up. It was announced on arch-dev-public and sat in [testing] for a month.

I thought the ethos was to "read the news before upgrading", not "read every thread in the ML before upgrading"? Just want to avoid traing wrecks thats all.

ngoonee · 2010-10-01 08:02:02

quigybo wrote:

Allan wrote:
There was a heads up. It was announced on arch-dev-public and sat in [testing] for a month.
I thought the ethos was to "read the news before upgrading", not "read every thread in the ML before upgrading"? Just want to avoid traing wrecks thats all.

Think of [arch-dev-public] as a slightly more verbose form of news. Its not really that high-traffic, basically announcements that you can filter out based on whether you actually use any of the packages mentioned.

clu · 2010-10-03 21:45:13

ngoonee wrote:

Think of [arch-dev-public] as a slightly more verbose form of news. Its not really that high-traffic, basically announcements that you can filter out based on whether you actually use any of the packages mentioned.

Excellent (subscribed). Also now that awesome is kicked from community the dependencies all make sense.

Allan wrote:

It was included in the first place as a long time ago it looked like that was the way of the future. Things change...

What a shame... perhaps it will make a comeback.

Thanks, all.

cgarcia · 2010-10-24 19:23:20

There is a chance of XCB support coming back in Cairo (the underlaying reason to "ban" awesome among other problems, like i3lock not supporting images). Please add your vote to this feature request:

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/20960?project=1

dolby · 2010-10-25 01:11:02

cgarcia wrote:

There is a chance of XCB support coming back in Cairo
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/20960?project=1

I guess the chances of that happening any time soon are pretty slim

ianux · 2010-10-26 00:28:37

You can use archlinux.fr repo which provides both cairo-xcb and awesome package by adding this to your pacman.conf

[archlinuxfr]
Server = http://repo.archlinux.fr/i686

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#1 2010-09-29 23:05:01

Cairo, xcb removal, and experimental features in general.

#2 2010-09-29 23:19:28

Re: Cairo, xcb removal, and experimental features in general.

#3 2010-09-30 00:06:13

Re: Cairo, xcb removal, and experimental features in general.

#4 2010-09-30 09:55:10

Re: Cairo, xcb removal, and experimental features in general.

#5 2010-09-30 10:40:09

Re: Cairo, xcb removal, and experimental features in general.

#6 2010-09-30 10:57:21

Re: Cairo, xcb removal, and experimental features in general.

#7 2010-10-01 07:44:21

Re: Cairo, xcb removal, and experimental features in general.

#8 2010-10-01 08:02:02

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#9 2010-10-03 21:45:13

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#10 2010-10-24 19:23:20

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#11 2010-10-25 01:11:02

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#12 2010-10-26 00:28:37

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