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flamelab

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From: Athens, Hellas (Greece)

Registered: 2007-12-26

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Can any Nvidia user who uses testing, try this ?

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthr … ?p=2318734

It has a fix for Xorg-server 1.9

kazuo

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From: São Paulo/Brazil

Registered: 2008-03-18

Posts: 413

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

I tested it, my text rendering performance regressions are corrected. All looks ok for me now.

Last edited by kazuo (2010-09-15 23:35:16)

falconindy

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Registered: 2009-10-22

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Fixed here as well. Wohoo.

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Erus_Iluvatar

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Great :

GtkPerf 0.40 - Starting testing: Thu Sep 16 12:15:38 2010

GtkEntry - time:  0,03
GtkComboBox - time:  0,87
GtkComboBoxEntry - time:  0,71
GtkSpinButton - time:  0,11
GtkProgressBar - time:  0,06
GtkToggleButton - time:  0,15
GtkCheckButton - time:  0,10
GtkRadioButton - time:  0,11
GtkTextView - Add text - time:  0,41
GtkTextView - Scroll - time:  0,02
GtkDrawingArea - Lines - time:  0,81
GtkDrawingArea - Circles - time:  1,21
GtkDrawingArea - Text - time:  0,52
GtkDrawingArea - Pixbufs - time:  0,15
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Total time:  5,26

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ngoonee

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From: Between Thailand and Singapore

Registered: 2009-03-17

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

GtkPerf 0.40 - Starting testing: Thu Sep 16 18:48:14 2010

GtkEntry - time:  0.02
GtkComboBox - time:  1.10
GtkComboBoxEntry - time:  0.85
GtkSpinButton - time:  0.12
GtkProgressBar - time:  0.19
GtkToggleButton - time:  0.11
GtkCheckButton - time:  0.05
GtkRadioButton - time:  0.09
GtkTextView - Add text - time:  0.52
GtkTextView - Scroll - time:  0.12
GtkDrawingArea - Lines - time:  0.78
GtkDrawingArea - Circles - time:  1.20
GtkDrawingArea - Text - time:  0.44
GtkDrawingArea - Pixbufs - time:  0.11
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Total time:  5.71

Seems fixed then.

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TemplarGR

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From: Athens, Greece

Registered: 2009-12-16

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

I have been using xserver 1.9 for 3 weeks now on both my machines(intel and ati) and it runs well. It has been in testing for a month. What is holding it back?The Nvidia blob?

Square

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Registered: 2008-06-11

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Update on my situation:
Running xorg 1.9. Fixed crashes with games by disabling texture tiling in driconf with both xf86-video-intel and xf86-video-intel-git. IGP is an X4500MHD.

Everything is solid here.

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Jodell

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Registered: 2009-10-09

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Square, I can kiss you right now.

flamelab

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From: Athens, Hellas (Greece)

Registered: 2007-12-26

Posts: 2,160

Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Xorg-server 1.9 in extra without an Nvidia update ? (that means to -> 260.19.06)

It's gonna be *horrible*!!!! Guys, please, consider uploading the nvidia beta for Xorg-server 1.9 !

Last edited by flamelab (2010-09-29 08:35:42)

alexcriss

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Registered: 2010-05-24

Posts: 121

Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

The nvidia beta kills my laptop LCD panel (yes SONY, I am blaming you!), as reported in nvnews forums, and I have seen many other people reporting breakage with the new driver (the forum is down right now, I do not have the link to the bug report). I do not know if pushing the nvidia-beta to extra is a good idea.

ngoonee

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

nvidia-beta works fine here . And no, I doubt anything-beta is going to be put into [extra]. If nvidia users notice a slowdown, they'd better know to search the ML/forums to find out what's going on.

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flamelab

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

But the problem is that despite the obvious performance regression, Xorg-server 1.9 passed to extra. If somebody sees that statistics from pkgstats, will see that ~50% of arch users are nvidia users, so that affects *a lot* of people.

I might understand that "a binary blob shouldn't affect the repos" or "remember the catalyst days?", but it's high usage should be a major factor for such decisions, in my opinion.

Last edited by flamelab (2010-09-29 11:32:42)

dobo

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Registered: 2010-07-09

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

I updated xorg to 1.9 and installed nvidia-beta (260.19.06) drivers from aur (to fix mentioned slow rendering). Unfortunately xorg doesn't start. There's log click. I installed nvidia packages (256.53) from extra repository and surprisingly it's all working fine.
GtkPref:

GtkPerf 0.40 - Starting testing: Wed Sep 29 14:53:25 2010

GtkEntry - time:  0.03
GtkComboBox - time:  1.14
GtkComboBoxEntry - time:  1.18
GtkSpinButton - time:  0.18
GtkProgressBar - time:  0.11
GtkToggleButton - time:  0.13
GtkCheckButton - time:  0.10
GtkRadioButton - time:  0.21
GtkTextView - Add text - time:  0.72
GtkTextView - Scroll - time:  0.25
GtkDrawingArea - Lines - time:  1.41
GtkDrawingArea - Circles - time:  1.55
GtkDrawingArea - Text - time:  0.42
GtkDrawingArea - Pixbufs - time:  0.17

My gpu is 7600gt.

// Edit: Maybe it's related to that bug. Vi0L0 mentioned about it in AMD thread - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 69#p832469.

Last edited by dobo (2010-09-29 13:00:42)

ngoonee

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

I might understand that "a binary blob shouldn't affect the repos" or "remember the catalyst days?", but it's high usage should be a major factor for such decisions, in my opinion.

You're free to hold that opinion . Xorg 1.9 has sat in [testing] for ages already, for exactly the reason you've mentioned (this happens to kernel26 and xorg-server quite often, the holding back). [testing] is needed now for other things though, check arch-dev-public, and performance regressions aren't exactly the big bad wolf....

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Wintervenom

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

I might understand that "a binary blob shouldn't affect the repos" or "remember the catalyst days?", but it's high usage should be a major factor for such decisions, in my opinion.

IgnoreGroup and IgnorePkg. 

Last edited by Wintervenom (2010-09-29 16:44:15)

v3s

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From: Czech Republic

Registered: 2009-02-19

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Hi all.. After some problems I've successfully compiled and installed nvidia-beta drivers from AUR (260.19.06), but all fonts look weird and big(for example monospace 8pt font looks like some 20pt font). Missed I something in configuration?.. Thank you for your advices..

OT: Do you know in what package is now XSET included?

Last edited by v3s (2010-09-30 07:20:15)

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dobo

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Registered: 2010-07-09

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Hi all.. After some problems I've successfully compiled and installed nvidia-beta drivers from AUR (260.19.06), but all fonts look weird and big(for example monospace 8pt font looks like some 20pt font). Missed I something in configuration?.. Thank you for your advices..

OT: Do you know in what package is now XSET included?

Maybe try to change fonts in systemsettings (i see you're using KDE).
xset is in extra/xorg-server-utils.

[dobo@arch ~]$ pkgfile -s xset
extra/xorg-server-utils

v3s

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From: Czech Republic

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

It's solved now.. When I try to change fonts or dpi in systemsettings nothing happend.. After that I looked on xset and realize that xorg-server-utils package is missing (?WTF?).. I istalled it back and now everything is working as expected. Thx dobo:)

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litemotiv

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

I might understand that "a binary blob shouldn't affect the repos" or "remember the catalyst days?", but it's high usage should be a major factor for such decisions, in my opinion.

You're free to hold that opinion . Xorg 1.9 has sat in [testing] for ages already, for exactly the reason you've mentioned (this happens to kernel26 and xorg-server quite often, the holding back). [testing] is needed now for other things though, check arch-dev-public, and performance regressions aren't exactly the big bad wolf....

I just ran into this bug, it's not just a performance regression but gives a completely unusable XFT. I have to agree with flamelab here, if this affects 50% of users then this could be considered quite dramatic, since every one of them will have to install the beta from AUR.

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ozar

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Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

I just ran into this bug, it's not just a performance regression but gives a completely unusable XFT. I have to agree with flamelab here, if this affects 50% of users then this could be considered quite dramatic, since every one of them will have to install the beta from AUR.

Agreed... it would be nice if nVidia could move a little quicker with an official release.

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shemz

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Registered: 2010-04-23

Posts: 135

Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Nvidia-beta rendered my system completely unusable. Xorg.log complains no screen found. Vesafb renders correctly though, so kernel is loading the nvidia module. Moved back to the version in [extra] for now.

Edit: For some reason nouveau was getting loaded. An entry already existed in /etc/modprobe.d/framebuffer.blacklist; but blacklisting nouveaufb in rc.conf helped.

Last edited by shemz (2010-10-10 22:23:19)

axel668

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Registered: 2009-08-15

Posts: 168

Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Updated my laptop (Intel GMA 4500) last week, everything running smoothly, no performance issues, either.

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Nichollan

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From: Stavanger, Norway

Registered: 2010-05-18

Posts: 110

Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

My custom keyboard layouts that I had defined in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols were overwritten, but I had backups, and I imagined having problems with GTK tooltips that wouldn't stay up for more than a quarter of a second. It seems good now though.

Erus_Iluvatar

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Posts: 122

Re: X.org 1.9 stack feedback

Latest tesing .901 breaks fullscreen apps for me.

(Snap, allready reported : https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/21197)

Last edited by Erus_Iluvatar (2010-10-12 19:58:20)

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