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RiceKills

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Registered: 2010-05-31

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Ubuntu plans to move from Xorg to Wayland, what doe this mean for us?

http://www.cio.com.au/article/367050/ub … y_wayland/
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From what I see wayland can't forward applications through a network and doesn't support the x protocol. What is more, it seems to use the kernel DRM for rendering, doesn't this mean that all video drivers need to be built into the kernel and be open source for wayland to work?

Bregol

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Registered: 2008-08-15

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Re: Ubuntu plans to move from Xorg to Wayland, what doe this mean for us?

What does it mean for us? It means that Arch is Arch, not Ubuntu, and as such, we adhere to the Arch Way, in particular, the part about having the freedom to choose what we want to run on our system.  Its the same as now - it looks like Wayland stuff has been in AUR for a year or so now.  So it means that we remain Arch.

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RiceKills

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Registered: 2010-05-31

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Re: Ubuntu plans to move from Xorg to Wayland, what doe this mean for us?

Well I figured arch would stay X neutral but I still....  Does anyone use wayland? Is it network transparent like x is?

hbekel

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Registered: 2008-10-04

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Re: Ubuntu plans to move from Xorg to Wayland, what doe this mean for us?

X has been around for over 25 years. It's not going away soon.

Maybe it will be more common to use wayland for *nix GUI stuff in a few years, and maybe xorg will move to community or AUR then. That's about all this means for Arch.

skanky

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Registered: 2009-10-23

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Re: Ubuntu plans to move from Xorg to Wayland, what doe this mean for us?

http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551

See also the comments too as some questions are (potentially) answered there.
Many more raised tough.

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flamelab

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Re: Ubuntu plans to move from Xorg to Wayland, what doe this mean for us?

Wayland is a bet. They could either create a whole new, high-performance heir to Xorg or lose many hours for nothing.

Ubuntu's wayland adoption means that "we start supporting it. Now test it in order to improve it".

For Arch: that doesn't mean something in particular. Arch doesn't have Xorg as default. If Wayland goes mainstream, we will have two options instead of one. I guess that the major toolkits (Qt 4.x or ... 5.x and GTK3 ) will support both X and Wayland. There is already an unofficial Qt version with Wayland support.

Wayland could also push the opensource gpu drivers' devs to move faster. Since it requires KMS, and Catalyst and Nvidia don't and will not support it in the future, the only solution is to use the opensource counterparts. But, if they are so slow and with missing GL extensions like now, that could be a huge problem for Wayland's adoption.