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handy

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Yeh, that says the driver stack is installed & functioning.

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windscape

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Registered: 2010-04-30

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Hi,

I've got a little problem running 3D games (32 bit) with wine.
I got the error:

 Failed to load libGL: libGL.so.1: Cannot open the shared object: file or directory not found
err:wgl:has_opengl OpenGL support is disabled.

Well, libGL.so.1 exists in /opt/lib32/usr/lib/. Does anyone know, where the game is looking for it? lib32-libdrm-git and lib32-mesa-full is installed.

I don't have access to my Arch box at the moment, but with the creation of the multilib repo, a lot of the packages have been updated to only look for the 32-bit libraries in "standard" locations, such as /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib. You might want to try adding /opt/lib32/usr/lib into one of the files in /etc/ld.so.conf.d and then run ldconfig. That should cause the dynamic library loader to look in /opt/lib32/usr/lib for the 32-bit libraries.

Last edited by windscape (2010-11-18 13:32:39)

Pik

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Registered: 2009-11-15

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Thank you windscape, that worked.

yimm

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

About power saving too:

I'm getting 8-10+ celsius degrees than when using catalyst or in windows. It's strange, because I'm using low power profile and getting this

I think it cannot do better currently. I've opened a bugreport 2 weeks ago about this, add yourself to the CC list, to get notified when they reply.

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31000

For me the downvolting doesn't seem to work (always at 1050mV), dynpm is not agressive at all (45W for my laptop consumption), compare to low profile (36W).
With FGLRX, my laptop consumes 28,2 W. It's a 4850 mobility card (rv770)

Last edited by yimm (2010-11-19 10:27:07)

ijanos

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From: Budapest, Hungary

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

For me the downvolting doesn't seem to work (always at 1050mV), dynpm is not agressive at all (45W for my laptop consumption), compare to low profile (36W).
With FGLRX, my laptop consumes 28,2 W.

Yeah there is room for improvement. Maybe you should post these numbers in the bugreport, altough if downvolting not working at all, then it probably deserves it's own ticket.

Skyalmian

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Registered: 2009-06-28

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Welp, after using Catalyst for so long and then wanting to try this, the bleeding edge that I <3, all was going well until the following hit:

Strange error regarding the repository. All was going well until "libdrm-git", "lib32-libdrm-git", and "xf86-video-ati" claim "Not Found" on spiralinear.org when to be downloaded, yet during the synchronization process it said they were in conflict with currently-installed standard/Catalyst versions that I've been removing in groups (they didn't want to all go at once, so per-individual basis via pacman finding conflicts).

Strange.

Edit: Used the [nightly] repository mentioned on page 1, that filled in the holes.

Last edited by Skyalmian (2010-11-19 17:41:49)

hauzer

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From: Belgrade, Serbia

Registered: 2010-11-17

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

What should I use for my x1650 Pro? Since the open source drivers are somewhat slow and the newest radeon drivers don't support it,  I thought of using the 9.3 ones, but then I saw they only support Xorg 7.4 at most.. So, should I try to find/compile Xorg 7.4 or is there some other solution?

Last edited by hauzer (2010-11-19 18:49:15)

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ijanos

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

What should I use for my x1650 Pro? Since the open source drivers are somewhat slow and the newest radeon drivers don't support it,  I thought of using the 9.3 ones, but then I saw they only support Xorg 7.4 at most.. So, should I try to find/compile Xorg 7.4 or is there some other solution?

I'd stick with the open drivers and wait for the performance to improve. That's an rv500 based card, 3D should already work reasonably well with it. How slow is that somewhat slow?

hauzer

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

I'd stick with the open drivers and wait for the performance to improve. That's an rv500 based card, 3D should already work reasonably well with it. How slow is that somewhat slow?

Well, I don't know if it's me, but for example a flash based game is very slow/lagging (http://www.funny-games.biz/flying-headers.html). I will give them one more chance.

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ijanos

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Well, I don't know if it's me, but for example a flash based game is very slow/lagging (http://www.funny-games.biz/flying-headers.html). I will give them one more chance.

That game not using 3d at all and by the way flash on linux can is just suck by no apparent reason. If moving windows around and scrolling in a browser is laggy then something is wrong with the 2D accelration.

hauzer

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

That game not using 3d at all and by the way flash on linux can is just suck by no apparent reason. If moving windows around and scrolling in a browser is laggy then something is wrong with the 2D accelration.

http://i53.tinypic.com/mhsygn.png
Why is DRIConf detecting it as R300?

http://i51.tinypic.com/2emo7bn.jpg
As you can see, FPS isn't very good either..

# /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Section "Device"
    Identifier "ATI Radeon x1650 Pro"
    Driver "radeon"
    Option "AGPMode" "8"
    Option "ColorTiling" "on"
    Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
    Option "EnablePageFlip" "on" 
EndSection

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ijanos

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From: Budapest, Hungary

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Dont get confused with the rv300 part, it is just the name of the driver.

And actually glxgears should be constant 60fps since vertical sync should be enabled by default. glxgears is NOT a benchmark, use something real, some 3d game would be good. quakelive, nexuiz, openarena. take a pick.

I cannot really help with xorg.conf, I dont use it, try to remove yours and see what happens.

Oh and do you have KMS enabled?

hauzer

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Yeah, I've enabled early KMS. I think the problem is just flash, I'm gonna try those games and report back.

EDIT: I think I'm gonna like Nexuiz.

Last edited by hauzer (2010-11-19 21:24:53)

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kinu

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Hi,

I'm having trouble with spiralinear.org repository:

error: falló al obtener archivo 'libdrm-git-20101118-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz' desde spiralinear.org: Not Found
error: falló al obtener archivo 'xf86-video-ati-git-20101118-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz' desde spiralinear.org: Not Found

Anyone?

hauzer

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

When I launch Nexuiz in GLX mode, both sound and video lag horribly (0.1 FPS or so); on SDL the audio is fine, but the video is just slightly better, maybe 1 FPS. Glxgears shows 120 FPS when idle, MPlayer detects xv radeon rendering. However, I don't know if it's in relation to this but wine reports an OpenGL error:

err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo The Mesa OpenGL driver is using software rendering, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly

I tried reinstalling mesa/libgl, etc. but it's still the same. Also, the desktop (xfce4) feels a bit slugish.

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ijanos

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

I tried reinstalling mesa/libgl, etc. but it's still the same. Also, the desktop (xfce4) feels a bit slugish.

Ok it looks like you misconfigured something. Disable 3rd party repos, install the official xf86-video-ati package and delete (move) your xorg.conf

hauzer

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Pff.. I wasn't in the video group, but the problem persists, only in a different form. Looks like OpenGL really is bad. Wine doesn't report the problem anymore, but when I start a game (Frozen Throne) it just sits there in a black screen, same with Nexuiz. What could possibly be wrong with OGL? I'll try and uninstall/reboot/install everything related to video and see what happens.

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hauzer

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

glxgears reports this.

IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 0 1

Nothing with OpenGL works now. I've just rebuilt libgl, libdrm, ati-dri, mesa, xf86-video-ati.

Last edited by hauzer (2010-11-20 14:39:04)

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megawebmaster

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Hi,

I'm having trouble with spiralinear.org repository:

error: falló al obtener archivo 'libdrm-git-20101118-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz' desde spiralinear.org: Not Found
error: falló al obtener archivo 'xf86-video-ati-git-20101118-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz' desde spiralinear.org: Not Found

Anyone?

I've got the same problem, I've tried to reload database (pacman -Syy) but it didn't worked.

P.S. Please use LC_MESSAGE=C before pacman -Syu to get english messages.

EDIT: There's just lack of these packages on x86_64 repo, but they are in i686.

Last edited by megawebmaster (2010-11-20 14:43:54)

Skyalmian

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Registered: 2009-06-28

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Hi,

I'm having trouble with spiralinear.org repository:

error: falló al obtener archivo 'libdrm-git-20101118-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz' desde spiralinear.org: Not Found
error: falló al obtener archivo 'xf86-video-ati-git-20101118-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz' desde spiralinear.org: Not Found

Anyone?

I've got the same problem, I've tried to reload database (pacman -Syy) but it didn't worked.

P.S. Please use LC_MESSAGE=C before pacman -Syu to get english messages.

EDIT: There's just lack of these packages on x86_64 repo, but they are in i686.

"Anyone?" Yes. I mentioned it in this page above: "All was going well until "libdrm-git", "lib32-libdrm-git", and "xf86-video-ati" claim "Not Found" on spiralinear.org when to be downloaded." I had filled in these holes with the "[nightly] Server = http://nightly.uhuc.de/x86_64/" repository on page 1 but the dependency trees are not the same and can break them, prevent some from [radeon] installing.

Additionally, while my post is the last in the thread thus far... High heat on Toshiba L505D-S5983:

[skyalmian@alcyone ~]$ sensors
acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:       +79.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)                  

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:       +83.0°C  (high = +70.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)

It normally hovers around 77 for both with all these drivers (whereas on Catalyst it barely ever topped 70 C except for things like HALF-LIFE 2 and always idled in the 50s), as at the time this was taken 20.0 CPU had been in use consistently for a while from my playing music in Audacious. Is this from not using the custom kernel26-drm-radeon-testing on page 1? (I can't get it to run, it's spitting out the "Root Device not found" "major/minor" boot-up error which has been mentioned elsewhere on the forum before but I didn't find any solutions when trying various ones. I've tried kernel26-git from [nightly] as well and it gives the same problem.)

Last edited by Skyalmian (2010-11-20 20:03:59)

kinu

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

"Anyone?" Yes. I mentioned it in this page above: "All was going well until "libdrm-git", "lib32-libdrm-git", and "xf86-video-ati" claim "Not Found" on spiralinear.org when to be downloaded." I had filled in these holes with the "[nightly] Server = http://nightly.uhuc.de/x86_64/" repository on page 1 but the dependency trees are not the same and can break them, prevent some from [radeon] installing.

Upsss ... I missed it. Thank you.

Demon

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From: Republic of Srpska, BA

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

I already read this thread, but there were issues.
But they seam to be stable now.

So, any news, have you decided to use these?

Perry3D

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

I already read this thread, but there were issues.
But they seam to be stable now.

So, any news, have you decided to use these?

I applied the patches to the kernel package and to xf86-video-ati-git. But i don't know how to verify it. There are no messages in the log files.

risk

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

Hi Perry3D,

The repo on spiralinear, radeon.db.tar.gz is broken, it has a reference to libdrm-git from Nov 18th, but the .xz package is not there.

2. Shouldn't the packages you built work with Evergreen chipsets (HD 5450 in my case)? I get
RADEON(0): No DRI yet on Evergreen

Here's the full Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/5txq0TVR

I don't miss AIGLX, but I do miss xv video acceleration

Oh, one other thing, if I were to build those packages on my own from the git repo, is there any particular order in which I'd have to do that ?

handy

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Re: Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

...
Oh, one other thing, if I were to build those packages on my own from the git repo, is there any particular order in which I'd have to do that ?

I believe that the order Perry has listed them in the OP is the order you should build them in.

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I'm over it!