Nokia using WP7 from now on: what's Qt's future ?

flamelab · 2011-02-11 12:02:07

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/techn … ss&emc=rss
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680

Nokia is throwing away Symbian, the Meego plans and, above all, Qt (.NET is going to be used for WP7).

I'm concerned about Qt's future now, since - I think - Qt was primarily developed as the main toolkit for MeeGo. Now... what ?

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Dieter@be · 2011-02-11 12:38:35

Why the FUD? Why the trolling? they will keep working on Meego and they plan to still put a lot of symbian devices on the market.

litemotiv · 2011-02-11 12:47:57

Dieter@be wrote:

Why the FUD? Why the trolling? they will keep working on Meego and they plan to still put a lot of symbian devices on the market.

Hmm, yes and no:

Elop herhaalde in ieder geval meermalen tijdens de presentatie van de deal dat Windows Phone het primaire softwareplatform wordt voor Nokia en dat de komende jaren worden gebruikt voor de overgang van Symbian naar Windows Phone. MeeGo zou nog slechts een testplatform worden, om te experimenteren en snel ervaring te kunnen opdoen met nieuwe ontwikkelingen.

(sorry no english quote available )

flamelab · 2011-02-11 12:49:26

Dieter@be wrote:

Why the FUD? Why the trolling? they will keep working on Meego and they plan to still put a lot of symbian devices on the market.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to "troll" about something. As far as I can see, Meego isn't going to be used at all and Symbian will be discontinued.

Army · 2011-02-11 12:50:08

I think the question is not if or if not they will continue working on Qt, it's more a question about how important it is to them. This news tells us that Meego and Symbian will get a lower priority (imho). We'll have to see where they are going.
Here's another link http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/noki … one-devel/

flamelab · 2011-02-11 12:57:31

Army wrote:

I think the question is not if or if not they will continue working on Qt, it's more a question about how important it is to them. This news tells us that Meego and Symbian will get a lower priority (imho). We'll have to see where they are going.
Here's another link http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/noki … one-devel/

And more

http://lxnews.org/2011/02/11/nokia-gett … velopment/

Damnshock · 2011-02-11 15:49:12

I really thought Meego would be a real push to Linux into the smartphone/real world and this is really bad news

Android is ok but it uses java to develop onto it so...

Well, we'll see

Regards

Heller_Barde · 2011-02-12 02:57:49

what's wrong with java on android? seems to work out fairly okay as far as I can see.

As far as I can see, Nokia hasn't yet made any real direct comments about the concrete future of Qt in general and Meego in particular, so I think we should all "wait and see" (tm)
It would be a shame, but then again... Is Linux really appropriate for a mobile device? Shouldn't the real push be for a platform that is tailormade for mobile devices (and also is open...)?

cheers,
Barde

taylorchu · 2011-02-12 03:51:05

java is a serious performance issue. you cannot expect android to have super long battery life with its java virtual machine.

qt wont die so quickly (I really love its toolkit for developers) but gtk3 is the news recently. I plan to try gtk3 a bit and perhaps switch to it.

Anikom15 · 2011-02-12 04:57:31

In my opinion, smart phones are generally useless. Everything that can be done on a smart phone can be done in an office; the difference is that you take the smart phone home, and I don't think that's a good thing.

Dieter@be · 2011-02-12 09:23:07

Heller_Barde wrote:

Is Linux really appropriate for a mobile device? Shouldn't the real push be for a platform that is tailormade for mobile devices (and also is open...)?

Guess what Meego is.
And yes, Linux is appropriate. The kernel is designed to run just fine on devices from tiny to huge.

kgas · 2011-02-12 13:05:39

here is one more news.

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flamelab · 2011-02-12 13:56:37

Nokia's blog post about Qt's future. They seem to say that they will continue developing Qt. With what speed though ?

http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/12/nok … re-for-qt/

PJ · 2011-02-12 15:13:21

I was really looking forward for MeeGo, mostly since it was powered by Qt. I was impressed by a presentation with a demo of Qt on mobile phones. My first thoughts after the presentation was: Wow, Nokia do not know what they have and what to do with it. Well, I guess they didn't...

The only thing that Nokia has mention about MeeGo is that it is going to be used for research. With a statement like that I can only see that the "burning platform" now has turned into ashes. MeeGo is dead, hope it doesn't kill Qt too.

I don't think there will be any press releases or information about the future of MeeGo or Qt. MeeGo didn't officially mention that they now are putting the Netbook version into Maintanence Mode. With that in mind, I am not expecting any further press releases or information on the future of Qt or MeeGo. My guess is that MeeGo will die slowly and Qt will be forked by KDE in approximate 6 months. I guess time will tell...

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I see that there are some information on the future of Qt but I am not convinced. It all sounds like Nokia is just trying to do some damage control.
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PJ · 2011-02-12 16:18:15

Interesting perspective on what happen with Macromedia Director when Elop was CEO for Macromedia.
http://piacentini.blog.br/2011/02/elop-is-after-me/

kost147 · 2011-02-12 21:05:59

http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/b … osoft.html
Pessimistic review by former Nokie employer. Probably this deal is good only for MS and Steven Elop.

paldepind · 2011-02-12 21:48:23

kost147 wrote:

http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/b … osoft.html
Pessimistic review by former Nokie employer. Probably this deal is good only for MS and Steven Elop.

It's sad but true.. It should be illegal to make such retarded decision in a company..

Zeist · 2011-02-13 08:02:34

I think the decision makes sense out of a business standpoint. It basically comes down to two things why they have to do something new to not go under:

1. Symbian is going away, it is essentially already a dead platform.
2. Both Intel and Nokia are dragging their feet when it comes to MeeGo, especially Intel who basically just wants to use it to sell x86 chips in mobile devices and therefor doesn't really care about Nokia's ARM powered phones.

Seeing as they can't wait for MeeGo and can't rely on Symbian they really need to get something that is already out and reasonably well-established in the market now. Then looking at what is actually possible WP7 is their logical choice. Android isn't really an option since that would basically make them just another handset maker running Android among very many. With WP7 they get to be the Premier manufacturer for a mobile OS since I think it is just HTC that is currently building WP7 phones (everybody else who were building them at launch seem to have stopped). Not saying that HTC is bad, but I think Nokia has a stronger brand, especially in the business market.

MeeGo isn't going to die. Intel won't let it after all the money they have put into it. With Windows 8 being ARM compatible they need their own OS, if only as a threat to keep Microsoft in line.

I don't know what this means for the ARM version of MeeGo. I was really rather hoping for that to come out sometime soon. I have a N800 that I still use sometimes, and I must say that Maemo is just brilliant. Would have loved to see a version 2 of the N900 with specs that are more in line with what the top phones have today that is running MeeGo. That would make me dump my Galaxy S (which I actually do like) and get one on release day.

Even though this makes sense out of a business standpoint, and even though I understand that this is the kind of thing Nokia has to do to stay alive, I really don't like it. Nokia basically was THE pioneer for mobile Linux with devices that were 100% open and not just mostly open like Android, and I really hope they can still put out some MeeGo devices in the future. Just not sure how relevant they will be by then.

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PJ · 2011-02-13 11:42:08

Sure it makes sense from a business standpoint, but I think it could have been executed a bit better. The first thing that comes to my mind is that Nokia could have pushed Qt to Windows Phone 7. If they had done that it wouldn't alienated all the developers. Second thing that comes to my mind is tell more about the time plan. For example, when Symbian is killed, when the WP7 is introduced, when the "possible" MeeGo device is out, long term support on Symbian. Third thing that comes to my mind is to officially put the dead plattforms in Maintanence Mode.

litemotiv · 2011-02-13 11:43:33

Nokia USA president is out, replaced by Microsoft vet Chris Weber as Elopocalypse continues

.:B:. · 2011-02-13 12:15:57

I really think Nokia made a bad call on this one... Sure, with Android it would just be another manufacturer added to the list, but HTC, SonyEricsson etc. all have their own shell on top of Android (and HTC's is said to be very good). I really wonder why Nokia doesn't think that's feasible.

I also find it a major loss for such a big European company to jump the proprietary Microsoft train. Alas.

litemotiv · 2011-02-13 12:36:49

.:B:. wrote:

I really think Nokia made a bad call on this one... Sure, with Android it would just be another manufacturer added to the list, but HTC, SonyEricsson etc. all have their own shell on top of Android (and HTC's is said to be very good). I really wonder why Nokia doesn't think that's feasible.
I also find it a major loss for such a big European company to jump the proprietary Microsoft train. Alas.

Yes i have an HTC phone, the interface is pretty good.

But like you say, the competition on Android is already pretty stiff, and Nokia would have to start from scratch there. Being the primary player on Windows will get them a lot of goodwill and help from Microsoft, something that Google probably wouldn't give them anymore since Android is already doing so well.

It's a real shame though that they didn't focus on Maemo/MeeGo better, if they'd invested more than the supposed 3 external people working on it they could have had a real competitive product by now. They would still have a problem marketing the ecosystem then though, since all this open source stuff is great but you also need (a lot of) people willing to make really good (paid) apps.

pseudonomous · 2011-02-16 20:13:49

Depressing announcement from Nokia. One would think that the best future for Qt would be to get spun off as an independent company again or maybe acquired by Intel. If push comes to shove, the KDE devs could fork the project, but I don't really think that's the ideal future for Qt; it would be better to have an independent group developing the toolkit (and have no competing forks).

litemotiv · 2011-03-07 18:35:11

pseudonomous wrote:

One would think that the best future for Qt would be to get spun off as an independent company again or maybe acquired by Intel.

Step one: http://www.digia.com/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405002251

taylorchu · 2011-03-08 01:59:55

I really want to see Qt acquired by Google and then open-soured like VP8.
they can also use Qt to work on android or chrome os too.

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