complete titles not showing in music players

Frabato · 2011-04-24 16:52:29

Hi All,

I tagged a lot of flac files with easytag but when I import them into goggles music manager or rhythmbox the complete titles don't show. For example, "Petrushka - Scene 1 - The Crowds" shows up as "Petrushka". Oddly, the complete titles show in deadbeef but the hyphens are replaced by semicolons. Any thoughts anyone?

Thanks

thisoldman · 2011-04-24 17:57:04

Are you using mixed locales? That's one thing that might confuse the character encoding.

When I edit flac or mp3 tags, I use Exfalso from the quodlibet package. It was more intuitive for me to use than Easytag. The results in Goggles and Deadbeef are fine.

The Quodlibet player isn't quite as feature rich as Goggles. I prefer Deadbeef to either of those.

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Frabato · 2011-04-24 21:54:08

Thanks for the reply,

The locales don't seem to be mixed:
[a@Astudio ~]$ locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=
[a@Astudio ~]$

I'll try exfalso and see if the results are different.

Frabato · 2011-04-24 22:15:49

All information after the first hyphen is still missing.

thisoldman · 2011-04-24 23:46:02

EasyTag and Rhythmbox both have a history of mangling tags. Take a look at these two Google searches:
http://goo.gl/IqNFC
http://goo.gl/ICupX

You can test the tags, I think, with metaflac. First, I tried with utf-8 support and then without it. My tags show no difference.

$ metaflac --export-tags-to=- 20-last_fair_deal_gone_down.flac
album=The Complete Recordings - Disc 1
artist=Robert Johnson
title=Last Fair Deal Gone Down
date=1936
genre=Blues
tracknumber=20/20

$ metaflac --export-tags-to=- --no-utf8-convert 20-last_fair_deal_gone_down.flac
album=The Complete Recordings - Disc 1
artist=Robert Johnson
title=Last Fair Deal Gone Down
date=1936
genre=Blues
tracknumber=20/20

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Frabato · 2011-04-25 01:40:11

Thanks, I'm in the process of checking out kid3 and I'll check the tags with metaflac.

Frabato · 2011-04-25 02:28:10

Well, easytag has one line for the title and kid3 had two lines for the title.

[a@Astudio ~]$ metaflac --export-tags-to=- aa.flac
TITLE=Petites esquisses d'oiseaux - I. Le rouge-gorge
ARTIST=Messiaen
ALBUM=Complete Edition 02
TRACKNUMBER=01

When I open this file in kid3:
"Petites esquisses d'oiseaux" is on the first title line and
"I. Le rouge-gorge" is on the second title line

when I move the the second line up and append it to the first line all of the music players show it properly.

Does anyone know if there is a setting in easytag that I'm missing or should I just start retagging my 17,000+ files now?

Thanks

jlindgren · 2011-04-25 04:46:52

This is somewhat speculation, but it looks to me like the music players you have tried are interpreting the " - " as a separator. You might try Audacious; it should display the " - " as is.

Frabato · 2011-04-25 12:12:23

Audacious displays the titles correctly except for the m4a files (which I've been meaning to convert to flac anyway). So I guess there is no standard for the way a program reads id3 tags. So far the files that I have renamed with kid3 seem to be ok in all players.

Thanks

GogglesGuy · 2011-04-25 12:30:09

Frabato wrote:

Well, easytag has one line for the title and kid3 had two lines for the title.
[a@Astudio ~]$ metaflac --export-tags-to=- aa.flac
TITLE=Petites esquisses d'oiseaux - I. Le rouge-gorge
ARTIST=Messiaen
ALBUM=Complete Edition 02
TRACKNUMBER=01
When I open this file in kid3:
"Petites esquisses d'oiseaux" is on the first title line and
"I. Le rouge-gorge" is on the second title line
when I move the the second line up and append it to the first line all of the music players show it properly.
Does anyone know if there is a setting in easytag that I'm missing or should I just start retagging my 17,000+ files now?
Thanks

So the title has an newline character in it?

Frabato · 2011-04-25 12:50:42

Well I spoke too soon, it looks like audacious is picking up the second half of the title and omitting the first half.

So the title has an newline character in it?

TITLE=Petites esquisses d'oiseaux - I. Le rouge-gorge

Is a hyphen a newline character?
Should I not be using hyphens in the titles?

anonymous_user · 2011-04-25 13:19:10

FWIW, with my mp3 files I have no problem using a hyphen in titles.

GogglesGuy · 2011-04-25 13:22:48

Frabato wrote:

Well I spoke too soon, it looks like audacious is picking up the second half of the title and omitting the first half.
So the title has an newline character in it?
TITLE=Petites esquisses d'oiseaux - I. Le rouge-gorge
Is a hyphen a newline character?
Should I not be using hyphens in the titles?

The hyphen is not the problem. Can you send me one of your files that has the problem and is not too big? (by email)

jlindgren · 2011-04-25 13:37:57

GogglesGuy wrote:

The hyphen is not the problem. Can you send me one of your files that has the problem and is not too big? (by email)

Yeah, I'd be interested to see one of these files also.

GogglesGuy · 2011-04-25 14:05:20

GogglesGuy wrote:

Frabato wrote:
Well I spoke too soon, it looks like audacious is picking up the second half of the title and omitting the first half.
So the title has an newline character in it?
TITLE=Petites esquisses d'oiseaux - I. Le rouge-gorge
Is a hyphen a newline character?
Should I not be using hyphens in the titles?
The hyphen is not the problem. Can you send me one of your files that has the problem and is not too big? (by email)

Ok. I got the file. The issue is that the title has been set in two separate tags:

album=Sony Edition 02 Ballets II
artist=Stravinsky
title=Scenes de ballet
title=Pantomime 3
genre=Classical
tracknumber=36

Now this is a perfect legally to do so, but as you discovered most software will only read either one. It most often used to add multiple genres and/or artists information. I think I can change gogglesmm just to concatenate the titles together, but it won't be able to export those back the same way if you ever decide to save the tags from within gogglesmm.

And I guess it's up to the player whether to add semicolons or hyphens between the different titles.

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Frabato · 2011-04-25 14:20:05

Yes it looks like the problem is with the way the tags are written. Easytag has only one line for the title so I have no idea why it would split them into two lines. I will redo these tags using kid3 unless someone can recommend a better program. I have at least a few hundred file to do.

Thanks to all

GogglesGuy · 2011-04-25 14:31:18

Frabato wrote:

Yes it looks like the problem is with the way the tags are written. Easytag has only one line for the title so I have no idea why it would split them into two lines. I will redo these tags using kid3 unless someone can recommend a better program. I have at least a few hundred file to do.
Thanks to all

It looks like easytag uses the hyphen to split entries into multiple fields (at least for xiphcomments).

GogglesGuy · 2011-04-25 15:16:10

GogglesGuy wrote:

Frabato wrote:
Yes it looks like the problem is with the way the tags are written. Easytag has only one line for the title so I have no idea why it would split them into two lines. I will redo these tags using kid3 unless someone can recommend a better program. I have at least a few hundred file to do.
Thanks to all
It looks like easytag uses the hyphen to split entries into multiple fields (at least for xiphcomments).

I have fixed gogglesmm to handle this correctly. Available in the next release 0.12.2.

Frabato · 2011-04-25 16:14:15

Would this be considered a bug in easytag? Should I report it?

"I have fixed gogglesmm to handle this correctly. Available in the next release 0.12.2."

Thanks so much, it's greatly appreciated and I love the program.

GogglesGuy · 2011-04-25 16:43:09

Frabato wrote:

Would this be considered a bug in easytag? Should I report it?

Not sure how actively maintained easytag is nowadays. It looks to me like a feature (write multiple artists/genres), but perhaps they shouldn't do it for the title.

jlindgren · 2011-04-25 21:06:26

@GogglesGuy: Great analysis, thanks. I patched Audacious to handle this too (will be in 2.5.1).

litemotiv · 2011-04-26 06:17:23

Frabato wrote:

Audacious displays the titles correctly except for the m4a files (which I've been meaning to convert to flac anyway).

What..why?

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