Arch Census via Archstats!

dtw · 2005-06-12 10:56:35

Following the "who is using what version of fluxbox" debate I'm proposing we plan and schedule an Arch census to provide a definitive picture of who is using what pkgs on their boxes.

I simply propose a week where we request that people install archstats and make a submission - they can take it off after that.

I'm aware that some people may have privacy concerns regarding this but they can not take part.

Anyone else be interested in planning and promotion?

FUBAR · 2005-06-12 11:02:24

But ... why?

Cam · 2005-06-12 11:11:55

I'm not scared...

i3839 · 2005-06-12 11:32:59

I've the old fluxbox version installed, but I use a manually installed (old) cvs version, so don't trust the stats too much.

dtw · 2005-06-12 11:36:59

FUBAR - that is such a knee jerk response. Why have any census at all? To gather information!

The thing is it is impossible to tell which pkgs are actually used and which aren't without requiring people to use archstats, which i don't think we can.

It would be useful to have a snapshot of usage i think, to see if any packages are blatently unused or have more popular alternatives.

I forgot to request analysts as well. We synthesize the results into categories etc to highlight the most popular pkgs in each group - that kind of thing.

Besides, I'm a statistican - this kind of thing gets my boiler stoked!

T-Dawg · 2005-06-12 12:48:32

dibblethewrecker wrote:

..gets my boiler stoked!

...hehe

I dont mind participating, although I don't use those 'so cool' light weight
DE's just big fat KDE. I do have the others installed just in case, although I don't use them. So, maybe my submission would be inaccurate in that arena....

dtw · 2005-06-12 14:53:56

yeah - that does kind of screw the whole thing up really!

bad idea then! shoot me now!

T-Dawg · 2005-06-12 14:56:17

dibblethewrecker wrote:

shoot me now!

can't, your holding a white flag

Why don't you just turn this into a poll? Or have you already tried that?
EDIT: nevermind

dtw · 2005-06-12 15:20:51

It's not just supposed to be about fluxbox - was supposed to be about Arch in general - but seeing as you are all messy bastards who keep pkgs installed that they don't use it will skew the results really bad.

I have kde installed which I never use

iphitus · 2005-06-12 16:41:09

Well get this, I have e16, gnome, kde, xfce4,fluxbox-devel, blackbox, fvwm-devel, wmi, windowmaker, openbox, all installed with pacman, and guess which one I use.

none of them, I use an ion3 snapshot which I compiled and installed myself to /opt/ion-3

iphitus

Dusty · 2005-06-12 16:49:32

even if people don't currently use what they have installed, the fact that they installed it indicates that it is 'popular'.

Dusty

wrm · 2005-06-12 17:03:57

I agree with Dusty.
imho People don't install things just to have them installed. Or do they?

dtw · 2005-06-12 17:12:29

i dunno! LOL

a census could still be worth a try tho! I know the devs need to work on a system for figuring out what is worth keeping and what isn't

wrm · 2005-06-12 17:57:06

well I think, that you need to keep every package, that arch has now.

Dusty · 2005-06-12 18:14:49

wrm wrote:

well I think, that you need to keep every package, that arch has now.

You use them all????

Dusty

phrakture · 2005-06-12 18:21:41

Dusty wrote:

wrm wrote:
well I think, that you need to keep every package, that arch has now.
You use them all????
Dusty

of course he does, or else he wouldn't make outlandish claims... obviously he loves fortune-mod-schlomif

wrm · 2005-06-12 18:32:05

no, i'm talking about the repos.

BTW: it's shlomif, not schlomif

elasticdog · 2005-06-12 23:46:49

Does anyone know if ArchStats deletes certain IDs if they haven't sent an update in a certain amount of time (say 3 months or so) in order to keep its records clean/up to date? I noticed that the instructions say to backup the archstats.conf file whenever you upgrade in order to maintain the correct UID, but I bet that gets forgotten about quite often. (Sorry for the psuedo hijack)

sarah31 · 2005-06-13 02:52:26

As I have always maintained archstats is NOT an good indicator of how popular or "useful" a package is. Nor is archstats likely truly representative of the archers out there. Any and all data from arch stats should be taken purely as a point of interest and NOT a means of determining the future of certain packages.

Dusty · 2005-06-13 03:30:57

You're probably right, Sarah, but how else can we measure it and make decisions? Server-side download counting? That doesn't work because of all the mirrors. AUR-style voting for all the repositories?

Dusty

sarah31 · 2005-06-13 03:54:54

well you could scrap everything and move over to a real OS like Windows J/K. Maybe the solution is to purge all non system essential packages from the "official" repos and have the community (AUR) maintain them. I always though that having arch repos set up like the CLC at crux was the answer to lack of maintainers and too few developers.

My fear is that those little apps that are not flashy but really good like rip would get purged over something more flashy but not as nit like grip.

Dusty · 2005-06-13 04:05:07

I think you're on to something there... eventually, I don't know why there should be any difference between extra and community... so only the very small current packages would be in their own repo.

Even so, we'd want to know how to downgrade from community to unsupported if nobody is using a package. I guess if it goes out of date and doesn't get updated, and nobody flags it out of date, then its not a necessary package, eh?

Dusty

sarah31 · 2005-06-13 04:47:16

Dunno I suppose. Some people like myself get too busy to stay on top of version changes sometimes or if it is functioning fine and upgrades are infrequent then we can also forget to look.

I would just be worried about dumping an app that has only a few REALLY LOYAL followers or dumping a nifty less common app like rip because it is basically CLI run.

Anyway I really should not comment much here except what I have already said. I am sure I have mentioned much of this before.

dtw · 2005-06-13 09:04:38

yeah - it's not the greatest idea in the world

Dusty · 2005-06-13 14:45:37

The greatest idea in the world would be if you could ban or delete users on IRC or BBS and they get snuffed out in real life... I bet there'd be a lot less misbehavior. Yeah, that'll be the greatest idea in the world... anybody want to make a package?

Dusty

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